Virgin America cleared to fly!!!

[TAWS]

They just got sick of listening to the Whiners complaining about RJs and scope ALL THE TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So they've moved on with their career - I'll bet they'll be gracious to any one of you guys that needs a ride! But as usual, the internet JS wars are back!! OH JOY..............

 

[spinproof]

I thought Skybus was getting the airplanes, what have I missed?

They were supposedly on short term leases....it'll go something like this...
" ... will everyone we leased our 320's to please step froward.....not so fast Skybus!!!"
...

 

[duck_killer]

Just what we need. More seats and yet another bottom-feeding LCC.

Funny doesn't an SWA captain make money per hour than any of the legacy heavy captains? And as far bringing down the industry, guys at the top taking 44% cuts hurt the average pay just as much, if not more than the RJs at regionals who always had ******************** for pay.

 

[n25na]

can anyone confirm this.....a lil birdy told me, that for every trip dropped or leg not flown, that credit time is deducted from your check at the end of the year if not made up...if it's true, that sounds awesome!!

 

[macdu]

"Good job. So where are these VA pilots coming from? If they ever want to call in a union, f*ck 'em. They had their chance."

Oh, let me see, can you say, Independece Air, United, TWA/AA, Skywest, come on! I am not one of them but, these people I guarantee you have all been somewhere previously that they paid union dues to ALPA, APA, Teamsters, or, an independent union and that union f!@#!@ them at some point. I know I am on my third union and oh boy is it wonderful.(Inject sarcasm) The point I am making is these guy's wouldn't be there if, 9/11, if they were not layed off, if their previous job didn't suck, if going back to USair wasn't more of a gamble, if........................................We as either former or current ALPA/APA/Teamster/indepentdent union members are to blame for a large part of this current mess. If we had the balls and stuck together as pilots first, and not show up for work just one day to protest the further eroding of the pilot pay and work rules we might see something turn around. A lot of us like to think of ourselves as a professional like a medical doctor is and that is fine, but as my brother(the smart one) who is a medical doctor told me after I explained what I have to go through every six months to keep my job, commute to work through TSA, line checks, etc, he said the doctors would shut the hospitals down.
If we as a total pilot group would yield a fraction of the power we have we could drive the industry. Just mho.

 

[Tomct]

Yeah. One is a good friend. He's got more experience than you can ever dream of having. He's a good stick and a great guy.

Too bad ALPA F'ed him out of a career. 90% of the people here can't hold a candle to him as an aviator or a person.

VA is a symptom of the problem. ALPA ran and hid. Now, it's every man for himself. TC

Dude, if you are really this angry....why not get another job? As far as your quote...GREATEST GUY EVER...did he use one finger or two?:laugh:

 

[luckytohaveajob]

ALPA is either growing or dieing

ALPA is either growing or dieing. And from every position I can see, ALPA is dieing.

Where is the Virgin ALPA membership drive? Oh, ALPA does not want to recruit the growth airlines. ALPA hasn't tried in any meaningful way to recruit JBLU, AAI, SWAPA, Allegiant, Kalitta, North American, Miami Air, Excel, USA 3000, or UPS.

And what ALPA has done with Skywest has been pathetic.

ALPA is so flawed no one on the outside would even consider bringing ALPA on board.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

dieing?

 

[Desert1]

Yeah, they have some of the best Captains I have ever flown with.

Concur. They got 2 of our best.

D1

 

[Desert1]

so much for the idea that Branson would make sure they hire hot FA's.

(apply asian accent) "Grasshoppa must learn to lower standards while in aviation industry...long cold overnights..."

D1

 

[junkjockey]

Some strong words from the major guys. I know it must be intimidating when a newbie airline enters the market and has a plan to actually make money and have fun at the same time. And it really is a shame that they would have the nerve to hire guys/gals who were furloughed after 9/11, looking to upgrade to better equipment or wanting some change in their life. Anyways, have fun at the Microtel and good luck with ur next bankruptcy.

 

[Cappy]

Exactly.

Plenty of bastards who will fly for them and let them thrive. It's one thing to scab your airline, making it difficult for the pilots of your airline to maintain or improve their quality of life. Another thing to support an airline that will essentially make it difficult for every pilot everywhere to maintain and improve their quality of life/standard of living.

Good job. So where are these VA pilots coming from? If they ever want to call in a union, f*ck 'em. They had their chance.

WOW! You seem to really know what you are talking about! So how do the pilots "call in a union" before they are cleared to fly? Please, enlighten us with your knowledge of labor law...

 

[Spooky 2]

WOW! You seem to really know what you are talking about! So how do the pilots "call in a union" before they are cleared to fly? Please, enlighten us with your knowledge of labor law...

Exactly what I was thinking. I believe that the starting pay for an Airbus Capt. is around $95.00 an hour. Wonder what the 1st year rates are at UAL on the bus. Probably not much higher, if any at all. I welcome them to SFO and every other place they go for that matter. Ditto for SWA.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

dieing?

dying

 

[Huck]

Huck's First Law of Airlines: Unemployed pilots will always have a different perspective than employed pilots.

It's great to grab your balls and call for a jumpseat war. But if you were unemployed, with kids at home and a mortgage to make, you'd take a job there in a heartbeat. "Oh no, I could never take THAT job! I'll hold out for something better!" My ass....

I've heard the same thing from FDX guys about me working for Gemini. But again, they're employed, so their perspective is different. Ask the furloughed guys/gals if they'd go do it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

WOW! You seem to really know what you are talking about! So how do the pilots "call in a union" before they are cleared to fly? Please, enlighten us with your knowledge of labor law...

Exhibit A = Compass.

The NWA pilot contract requires that Compass start operations as an ALPA carrier. Pay rates and flow-thru established by NWA ALPA. The team negotiating the inititial Compass contract are all NWA ALPA guys.

 

[Ralph Cramden]

That's really great for NW and Compass Occams Razor, but did NWA start out as a union carrier? Did any stand alone company start out as a union shop?

In the example you give it was most likely a condition for the NWA MEC giving up the flying to begin with and totally within reason.

For a new stand alone company, there has to be a card count, a certification vote and, well you know the process as well as I do I'm sure. Why do all this before you know if you will ever advance the fuel levers?

 

[Turbinehead]

Recognize any of them?
http://www.letvafly.com/meetvapeople.php

Sharon and Doreen: would you be interested in a threeway ShAg BaYbAaY?

Shagadelic baby. YeA~!

 

[Occam's Razor]

That's really great for NW and Compass Occams Razor, but did NWA start out as a union carrier? Did any stand alone company start out as a union shop?

In the example you give it was most likely a condition for the NWA MEC giving up the flying to begin with and totally within reason.

For a new stand alone company, there has to be a card count, a certification vote and, well you know the process as well as I do I'm sure. Why do all this before you know if you will ever advance the fuel levers?

Cease buzzer!

Here was the question: "So how do the pilots "call in a union" before they are cleared to fly?"

I provided the answer.

Before Compass was "cleared to fly"...they were established as an ALPA carrier.

He asked the time...not how to build a clock.

(sheesh!)

 

[flyinboxes]

No, an LCC offering a first class and a real entertainment system for cross-country-flights

ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh