Would anybody leave.....

[gmccrj7]

Would anybody leave..... a fairly stable job for a start-up airline? just want some feed back and ideas. I'm new at a new job (LESS THAN A YEAR) bottom of the seniority (2400 out of 2600).

 

[njcapt]

Maybe.




If you want a more useful reply you're going to have to cut loose with a little more background information.

 

[Donald]

Yes I would if the company I was with was not the company I intended to stay with. Also, it's better to do it now while you're still junior. Plenty of other factors should be considered as well, like your age. Don't get cought up in the "grass is always greener" senario too.

 

[BigMeat]

If it is SkyBus just say no!

 

[xray678]

depends on the airline, depends on the pay. I have to say though, anyone going to Skybus will set a new low in whoring themselves out. Oh, and Skybus pilots will not be welcome on my jumpseat.

 

[xpdriver]

Would anybody leave..... a fairly stable job for a start-up airline? just want some feed back and ideas. I'm new at a new job (LESS THAN A YEAR) bottom of the seniority (2400 out of 2600).

iF ITS A start-up...quit thinking about 1 year down the road or 3 years down th road...Think about 10,20,30 years...if you are at NJA now ARE YOU CRAZY>>..

 

[swaforme]

Why would you deny them a jumpseat?

 

[capt. megadeth]

depends on the airline, depends on the pay. I have to say though, anyone going to Skybus will set a new low in whoring themselves out. Oh, and Skybus pilots will not be welcome on my jumpseat.

I agree.....or Virgin America.

My guess is that gmc is at Skywest. If that's the case....dude, you could probably be a Brasilia captain by now getting PIC turbine time....don't leave to go to one of these craphole places. Now, of course....I could be way off base with my assumptions....

 

[D_G]

Sounds like Netjets thinking about quitting to go to Skybus.

If I were you I would stick it out at NJA a couple of years, you might like having 2 three week vacations a year and enough hotel and airline mile points for a family vacation once a year, and job security that can't be touched.

Pay that will be well into the 6 figures and a 3 week vacation every 3 month after 5 years.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The skybus deal has options paid with salary, that's not such a bad deal. If you had that deal going with LUV before it issued, the stock today would be worth $19 million.

 

[CA1900]

The skybus deal has options paid with salary, that's not such a bad deal. If you had that deal going with LUV before it issued, the stock today would be worth $19 million.

Yep. And if you took the same deal going with Vanguard, Midway, TransMeridian, Braniff, Eastern, Atlantic Coast, or any of a dozen other now-defunct airlines, the stock would be worth $0.

CommutAir issued me a bunch of stock, too, in a company that hasn't gone public. It's currently valued at 1 cent, which I found out when they spent about $1.50 mailing a statement to that effect to me. Nice.


Leaving NJA for a crappy-paying start-up like this is a really, really bad idea.

 

[Lear70]

Why would you deny them a jumpseat?

If they're stupid enough to take $65,000 as an Airbus CA, then they're a safety risk anywhere on my airplane. Especially in the flight deck jumpseat.

Safety first. 'Nuff said.

Sounds like Netjets thinking about quitting to go to Skybus.

If I were you I would stick it out at NJA a couple of years, you might like having 2 three week vacations a year and enough hotel and airline mile points for a family vacation once a year, and job security that can't be touched.

Pay that will be well into the 6 figures and a 3 week vacation every 3 month after 5 years.

If that's the case, I agree 100%.

If you're talking about Skybus, I also agree 100%, stay where you are.

If you're talking about something else, you'll have to say so in order to give good advice.

 

[capt. megadeth]

job security that can't be touched.

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Now that's funny my friend. :laugh:

 

[720persecond]

Now that's funny my friend. :laugh:

True, job security is hard to find. But it is like in any profession, there is a risk involved in accepting a new position.

 

[swaforme]

So the amount of money a person makes, makes them a safety issue in your airplane. How about the color of there shoes or tie? What about any commuter f/o, how much do they make?

I could see denying a jumpseat to a scab. But denying it in the case of Skybus or VA, bad juju on you.

 

[SWA/FO]

Yep. And if you took the same deal going with Vanguard, Midway, TransMeridian, Braniff, Eastern, Atlantic Coast, or any of a dozen other now-defunct airlines, the stock would be worth $0.

priceless.... I just had some options expire at Southwest. 510 shares = $0. They were underwater since I got here.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

priceless.... I just had some options expire at Southwest. 510 shares = $0. They were underwater since I got here.

Well believe it or not, there are captains at jb with thousands of options in the 1-3 dollar or so range, so yes it can be done. Whether they cashed out at the high or rode the splits, I dunno. Options as a form of compensation BLOW! I have been at jb for 16 months; I have been underwater and I have had over 40K in options. A very big swing for a Seven Year Startup.

"Keep the pay low and give them options" says the little fairy, well I'm not buying it. He sneaks into your compensation package, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's a retirement plan missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

 

[ultrarunner]

priceless.... I just had some options expire at Southwest. 510 shares = $0. They were underwater since I got here.

Options typically don't expire until 10 years from the grant date. What was the scoop on your options?

 

[mozzer]

Well believe it or not, there are captains at jb with thousands of options in the 1-3 dollar or so range, so yes it can be done. Whether they cashed out at the high or rode the splits, I dunno. Options as a form of compensation BLOW! I have been at jb for 16 months; I have been underwater and I have had over 40K in options. A very big swing for a Seven Year Startup.

"Keep the pay low and give them options" says the little fairy, well I'm not buying it. He sneaks into your compensation package, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's a retirement plan missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

now that was funny...fell off the toilet!!! thanks for causing me to use my only post for 07'....see ya in 08'

 

[skipper1]

Well believe it or not, there are captains at jb with thousands of options in the 1-3 dollar or so range, so yes it can be done. Whether they cashed out at the high or rode the splits, I dunno. Options as a form of compensation BLOW! I have been at jb for 16 months; I have been underwater and I have had over 40K in options. A very big swing for a Seven Year Startup.

"Keep the pay low and give them options" says the little fairy, well I'm not buying it. He sneaks into your compensation package, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's a retirement plan missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

Absolute Quality!!!

 

[DrProc]

Would anybody leave..... a fairly stable job for a start-up airline? just want some feed back and ideas. I'm new at a new job (LESS THAN A YEAR) bottom of the seniority (2400 out of 2600).

Well, I knew a pilot that passed up going to a startup cargo outfit flying Falcon 20s to stay at a commuter. He would have been in the first class at this cargo outfit, named Federal Express. I also know guys that have bailed great jobs to go places like Vanguard and Proair. So, who really knows, because at one time Southwest was on the low end of the pay scale and people were leaving there to go to Northwest and United.

 

[BigMeat]

I dont think anyone is saying that it will not happen. At one time all our airlines were start-up. What people are saying is that statistically that its probably not going to happen. Especially now with so much saturation and the majors recovering that will soon be spoiling for a fight. If I was president ceo of all the airlines combined Skybus would be first on my list. Why you ask? Okay Ill tell you why. Because if I put them out of business their pilots are paid so low that they wouldnt even know they were jobless. They would still be standing in the same welfare lines, looking for section 8 housing and still buying the same cheap $hit toilet paper that melts in your @ss before it does any good.

 

[bgaviator]

Ok....I'm an aspiring pilot. I currently have a commerical/cfi rating and a multi-engine license. I make slightly over 30K/year at my crappy dispatching job. With that said..... PAY ME TO FLY AN AIRBUS FOR 65K/year!
I'll gladly take it! Who can't live comfortably on 65K/year? Especially in Columbus, OH? New York might be a different story, but Columbus?
As far as the stock options Skybus is offering....I wouldn't even think about that as part of my salary....that's just a nice bonus IF the stock was to take off. I guess I don't understand what the current standards for pay for an Airbus pilot are these days.....but getting paid 65K/year sounds pretty sweet for a guy like me, and getting to fly an Airbus an even sweeter deal at that. Just my two cents................wait for it, wait for it.......waiting for the first rude remark to come my way since it seems to happen everytime I voice an opinion..........wait for it, wait for it...........

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Ok....I'm an aspiring pilot. I currently have a commerical/cfi rating and a multi-engine license. I make slightly over 30K/year at my crappy dispatching job. With that said..... PAY ME TO FLY AN AIRBUS FOR 65K/year!
I'll gladly take it! Who can't live comfortably on 65K/year? Especially in Columbus, OH? New York might be a different story, but Columbus?
As far as the stock options Skybus is offering....I wouldn't even think about that as part of my salary....that's just a nice bonus IF the stock was to take off. I guess I don't understand what the current standards for pay for an Airbus pilot are these days.....but getting paid 65K/year sounds pretty sweet for a guy like me, and getting to fly an Airbus an even sweeter deal at that. Just my two cents................wait for it, wait for it.......waiting for the first rude remark to come my way since it seems to happen everytime I voice an opinion..........wait for it, wait for it...........

Thats why they are offering ********************ty pay, cause of people like you!

 

[ultrarunner]

I guess I don't understand what the current standards for pay for an Airbus pilot are these days.....

You don't need to understand it, you just need to read it. It's not that hard to find.

JetBlue A320 12 year FO $51 to $76 CA $110 to $139

NWA A320 12 year FO $30 to $93 CA $126 to $137

United A320 12 year FO $31 to $90 CA $118 to $131

USAir A320 16 year FO $25 to $85 CA $113 to $125

AWA A320 16 year FO $39 to $94 CA $121 to $142

That's most of the Airbus outfits....

...get online and do some reading if you want more info....

airlinepilotcentral.com

 

[ultrarunner]

Thats why they are offering ********************ty pay, cause of people like you!

Yeah Whisker, he's basically going to work for FO wages as Captain. Can't lower the bar much more than that!

 

[bgaviator]

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I find it funny how you talk as if I'm not in the room following this post. I will admit, if that's what the current pay is for captains on an airbus, then yes, 65K is pretty crappy by that standard. I'm just saying I wouldn't complain at this point in my life about making that kind of money, getting to fly an A-320. With that kind of cash I could get a nice house, pay back my student loans with ease, and probably be able to get a new car finally! It also helps that my wife works too, so there's extra income.
Has anyone ever thought maybe part of their biz plan in order to stay afloat is to initially have a lower starting pay so they will be able to pay back their creditors....then after they start making money they would be able to up the pay? Maybe they don't want to launch full balls-to-the-wall with this thing in order to have better long term stability?

 

[twad]

amazing

It amazes me that anyone in 2007 thinks that 65k in any job is great pay! Wow, I guess when you live with Mom and Dad and they still pay your car insurance that kind of cash goes a long way.

 

[klr1395]

Speaking of Airline Pilot Central, I thought I read on there that they were only hiring CA's at this point and that the mins were 5,000 hrs TT with 1500 TPIC? Am I wrong on this? If not, then the thread starter is a bit short on hours according to his profile. ~klr

 

[capt. megadeth]

Has anyone ever thought maybe part of their biz plan in order to stay afloat is to initially have a lower starting pay so they will be able to pay back their creditors....then after they start making money they would be able to up the pay? Maybe they don't want to launch full balls-to-the-wall with this thing in order to have better long term stability?

ROTFLMAO! No disrespect here, honestly.....but this post right here shows what a rookie you are in this business.

One thing you learn fast in this business is that promises made (I am saying this IF this is what the company were to use as an excuse for lower pay) by managment are bull$hit 100% of the time.

If pilots will work for this wage, TRUST ME, they will not just "up the pay" out of the goodness of their heart.