S3B Priority Coming quickly to ASA

[ASADriver]

Skywest flys S3C on Delta. Delta flys S3C on Skywest and I would imagine that is what we will fly on ASA if this deal is true.

That is more fair than what we are hearing. We are hearing that you guys will be higher priority than us on our aircraft. If Delta people get priority on ASA aircraft, then things will get ugly, even for a "company" man like me.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is what DAL wanted. I am guessing that it will not be that way. That was the reason it was not done after the sale. It may in fact turn out that we had to bend over and accept it or loose flying, but I do not think that DAL really wants a dog in that fight. IE much bigger fish to fry.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfire
Well if they think that THIS is going to help...GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!! I hope that the passengers are going to be happy NOT getting to their destinations, I mean this will be just enough to push a TON of people to quit or move on!! Good luck training all of those folks there ASSA airlines! This place truely SUCKS @SS!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that they know what it will do and it will help them shrink the airline. I mean really. Why else would you do so many things to an employee group?
It helps with the planned obsolesce.

 

[ASADriver]

I agree that things are getting to the point that pro company people like me are trying to get out of here. That isn't an endorsement of ALPA however, because they are to blame also. They aren't doing anything to resolve this problem. Give up some things like PBS in exchange for something like, ohh I don't know - how about PASS PRIORITY!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There is not way that DAL would do that.

 

[Speedtape]

I agree that things are getting to the point that pro company people like me are trying to get out of here. That isn't an endorsement of ALPA however, because they are to blame also. They aren't doing anything to resolve this problem. Give up some things like PBS in exchange for something like, ohh I don't know - how about PASS PRIORITY!

You are an incorrigiable reprobate! Ouit blaming the Union for anything that doesn't go your way, MORON!

 

[RJAA]

Delta's non-rev pass program is still the best in the industry. It was fun while it lasted. However, I laughed my a$$ off when Delta said they want ASA to go S3B or S3C but they had the audacity to demand the same S2/S3 boarding pririty on ASA flights and bump ASA employees on their own equipment so they can fly to little places like AVL, GPT, PFN and GNV. Brought on some BS about seat capacity purchase agreement when they already flew S3C on SkyWest, a fair agreement...but they wanted exception to the rule for ASA in ATL so they can get to little places where Delta wouldn't go. That was about a year ago. I couldn't have heard anything more selfish. That was when I said kiss my a$$ and moved on.

 

[737 Pylt]

Every single day there is bad news at ASA. I mean E V E R Y S I N G L E D A Y. We have been averaging a pilot a day leaving this airline. It seems like every possible justification for staying here is gone. All they can do next is take away lot 3. Can it get worse? How?

This would also seem to support the theory that ASA is not going to be brought back into Delta.

Just like Bryan LaBreque said. Run an airline, grow it for five years, shut it down. Make everybody move and start their longevity over again.

The only issue here that would be unfair is if DL employees get a higher priority on ASA flights. I don't think that would be fair. ASA should come before ANY DL employees on ASA flights.

737

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I agree that things are getting to the point that pro company people like me are trying to get out of here. That isn't an endorsement of ALPA however, because they are to blame also. They aren't doing anything to resolve this problem. Give up some things like PBS in exchange for something like, ohh I don't know - how about PASS PRIORITY!

How are you going to negotiate pass priority on Delta in a contract with ASA? You really are an idiot, you know?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

How are you going to negotiate pass priority on Delta in a contract with ASA? You really are an idiot, you know?

I missed the "Edit" window. My previous post was totally uncalled for. The problem is that, since our contract is between ASA pilots and ASA, there's really no room in there to negotiate any travel benefits with Delta. Since Delta is a totally seperate company, there is no way to bind them to anything with contractual language between our pilots and our management. I tend to agree with you that, sooner or later, we're going to have to put PBS on the table, but it won't be in exchange for pass privledges. Unfortunately, that's one of many things that we have absolutely no control over.

 

[jehtplane]

I missed the "Edit" window. My previous post was totally uncalled for. The problem is that, since our contract is between ASA pilots and ASA, there's really no room in there to negotiate any travel benefits with Delta. Since Delta is a totally seperate company, there is no way to bind them to anything with contractual language between our pilots and our management. I tend to agree with you that, sooner or later, we're going to have to put PBS on the table, but it won't be in exchange for pass privledges. Unfortunately, that's one of many things that we have absolutely no control over.

Guys, let's be real, there is not gonna be any contract at ASA. The company has no nterest in getting one done because they are shrinking ASA out of existence. These recent moves by Delta tells a big story. Closing LA, Taking over all ground operations, The GO is next, downgrading pass priveledges, Two open contracts, the Flight Attendants and Pilots. All of the BS coming out of BL's mouth is just that, BS. How are the seeking other contracts for flying when they have no idea what the costs are gonna be? I only wish you the best, but I would be getting my resume's out ASAP. Don't be the last one without a chair when the music stops.

 

[RJAA]

Two open contracts, the Flight Attendants and Pilots.

The dispatcher's contract is open as well, make that three.

 

[JettBoii]

That just made commuting a little more difficult for me. Great.

 

[Sinca3]

there's really no room in there to negotiate any travel benefits with Delta. Since Delta is a totally seperate company, there is no way to bind them to anything with contractual language between our pilots and our management. .

I disagree. I think we can negotiate ANYTHING we want and or need in this new contract. ASA management can negotiate with DELTA we don't have to. If we offer something the company wants (PBS, lower payrates, 75% retro as opposed to 100% etc etc) they will entertain the proposal. Don't think it can't be done....anything can be done, look at Comair pilots ability to tie DAL to their contract and amounts of flying.
It might not be easy but this whole debacle of negotiations hasn't been easy.
If we do indeed lose our current priority as nonrev's we need to demand a better commuter policey then what has been proposed and get something more out of this contract. The flight benies that we have enjoyed are a HUGE benefit to us as employees, and to lose them means we need to fight like hell to get something else out of this $hithole of a company.....we can't keep giving and not getting anything in return!!

 

[Headfake14]

...not sure if someone said this earlier...but I bet they (DAL) is taking over the above/below the wing support so these guys won't quit when our passes go bye bye. There would be a MASS exodus. The passes is one of the only reasons they hang around and put up with the nonsense here.

IMHO. -what a pisser-

 

[HarryParatestes]

...not sure if someone said this earlier...but I bet they (DAL) is taking over the above/below the wing support so these guys won't quit when our passes go bye bye. There would be a MASS exodus. The passes is one of the only reasons they hang around and put up with the nonsense here.

IMHO. -what a pisser-

Amen. I agree on that one. DAL doesn't want a mass exodus when they cut the passes. The only ones that will just cry and do nothing about it are the flight crews. So move everyone who might cause trouble.

 

[atlcrashpad]

If they thinks they is loosin' crews now... waits til they announce S3C's.... Yeowwwwwwwww.... can hear dah crickets now....

 

[SSDD]

If they thinks they is loosin' crews now... waits til they announce S3C's.... Yeowwwwwwwww.... can hear dah crickets now....

I don't buy that. You mean you're thinking about leaving, but the only thing that keeps you there is two levels in your non-rev priority? NAH! If I were leaving, not even possitive space would make me stay.

 

[rightseatjocky]

If they thinks they is loosin' crews now... waits til they announce S3C's.... Yeowwwwwwwww.... can hear dah crickets now....

OMG, this guy kills me with the stuff he says. I love it. This guy is so damn funny. Got to love it

 

[legalalien]

I don't buy that. You mean you're thinking about leaving, but the only thing that keeps you there is two levels in your non-rev priority? NAH! If I were leaving, not even possitive space would make me stay.

Maybe not pilots - most of them have had enough and are already looking, but it will probably cause a lot of Flight Attendants to leave. I have flown with a lot who make much more use of their passes than pilots do.

 

[EatinRamen]

As a commuter, I would seriously consider quitting. It's hard enough sometimes to get to work, and be gone for 4 days. I've already been looking for jobs closer to home, but loosing my S3 priority would tip the scale for me.

 

[atlcrashpad]

I don't buy that. You mean you're thinking about leaving, but the only thing that keeps you there is two levels in your non-rev priority? NAH! If I were leaving, not even possitive space would make me stay.

The woid "Crews" includes da Sky Hootchie's..... Bouyyyyyyyy..... If ya thinks dem Flights Attendants is stupid.... think again... Day gwoin ta leave in droves....

 

[JettBoii]

no offense to you crashpad..your avatar is ugly.

 

[Tomct]

This will promote a mass exodus with commuting pilots as well. I hope to be one of them....AMEN BROTHER!!

 

[bacardi]

Guys, let's be real, there is not gonna be any contract at ASA. The company has no nterest in getting one done because they are shrinking ASA out of existence. These recent moves by Delta tells a big story. Closing LA, Taking over all ground operations, The GO is next, downgrading pass priveledges, Two open contracts, the Flight Attendants and Pilots. All of the BS coming out of BL's mouth is just that, BS. How are the seeking other contracts for flying when they have no idea what the costs are gonna be? I only wish you the best, but I would be getting my resume's out ASAP. Don't be the last one without a chair when the music stops.

I agree with you, being a former DFW captain, SLC f.o., LAX captain, I feel this place is going down without flames. I hope everybody else has their aps. out with better companys

 

[BuzzSaw]

S-3C's would make my commute more difficult.

 

[frapper]

How are the seeking other contracts for flying when they have no idea what the costs are gonna be?quote]

Costs are whatever mgmt deems them! They're just not willing to make LESS of a PROFIT to pay us decent wages! The reason ASA hasn't been awarded additional flying is because our mgmt team is completely incapable of running an efficient operation, and they don't want to give the pilots any additional negotiating power.

 

[ASARJMan]

How are the seeking other contracts for flying when they have no idea what the costs are gonna be?quote]
The reason ASA hasn't been awarded additional flying is because our mgmt team is completely incapable of running an efficient operation, and they don't want to give the pilots any additional negotiating power.

True True! Just look at the slap from Delta concerning the ASA rampers/gate agents. BL and his boys (all ex-Delta managers btw) couldn't get the job done so Delta has taken over. Hard to know what's going on out at the 'port' when they all go to lunch on Skywest's dime everyday, and only drive by ATL as they come and go home.


ASA - Almost Scheduled Airlines!

 

[John Pennekamp]

It won't be S3B. That's for retirees, children, parents, and spouses. It will be S3C.

It's a sad state of affairs when a 14-year old son of a Delta ramper would get on a flight before a commuting pilot, but that's the way it goes I guess.

That's kind of a ridiculous statement. He'd already get on ahead of you provided his dad is senior to you. And why should a lowly "ramper" get worse benefits than a high and mighty commuting pilot?