Really wondering about LAX?

[Speedtape]

LAX was always only a 6 month project! There was no lease or other commitment made past June '07. This is one reason that you never had a LAX security badge.

The mainline had to have someone in LAX pronto to protect the unused gates or otherwise they were going to lose them. The LAX airport was one of two opponents to the reorganization plan. LAX had not received proper payment since the filing. LAX airport wanted those unused gates forfeited so they could lease them out to some other airline--which would have happened overnight had they been freed up.

XJET had been awarded the RFP bid in LAX prior to December, (November to be exact) but logistically could not start until June '07. The gates had to be protected by using them by last December. So, the unamed airline was used temporarily to protect those gates, with full knowledge that the operation would be short term until June.

Probably, no one, or certainly not enough, would have bid permanent positions in LAX with that knowledge. That would have forced your company to have TDY'd crew members there at great expense to the company. Quite simply, the information was withheld at your expense to cap their expenses.

Do you have the vision? Do you feel like a fellow team member who has been treated fairly and with respect? Do you feel like you are employed by one of the most trusted airlines in the eyes of the customers and the employees?

Your guiding principles allow you to challenge! Ask your Leadership Team if they have been honest with you in regard to LAX. They knew more than you were told, and they knew it in December, '06.

 

[av8tor4239]

why did they bother opening a base in LA then? They could have just crewed it out of atl for a couple of months...

 

[Speedtape]

why did they bother opening a base in LA then? They could have just crewed it out of atl for a couple of months...[/qu


$$$$$

 

[John Pennekamp]

Your guiding principles allow you to challenge! Ask your Leadership Team if they have been honest with you in regard to LAX. They knew more than you were told, and they knew it in December, '06.

Why bother? They will continue to lie to our faces. Everything you say is true, and they will never admit it.

 

[GeekMaster]

Here are the dollars and cents on that theory. (which is by the way exactly true)

If forced to pay TDY (temporary duty expenses), the company would have to pay each pilot 1080 dollars per month per diem for 7 months. According to our contract, a pilot who is "based there" and is then forced to move is qualified for a fully paid company paid move. That "could" get expensive but here's the catch. The company already knew that demographics showed we had an excess of pilots still living in SLC and DFW from previous base closures. They knew those pilots would bid LAX and commute. They further knew that once they closed LAX that those pilots would not be willing to move within 50 miles of ATL to qualify for the fully paid move. Therefore they knew those pilots would opt for the contract alternate company moving expense of $800 in lieu of a fully paid move.

So let's look at the costs comparison now. $800 vs $1080 times 8 months if staffed out of ATL.

Not to mention, we never set up full facilities there. No permanent Chief Pilot, etc.

In addition, Delta agreed in advance to reimburse ASA for all their incidental operating expenses associated with the temporary set up.

We were sort of like the school janitor on sick kid vomit detail; a dirty job that somebody had to do.

 

[Tomct]

Well than that's easy to fix...every pilot should go out and buy about 10,000 lbs of crap....garage sale, maybe sand and let the company move it to ATL! when you get it there, give it to good will or dump it at BL's house! Could produce some pretty good laughter for the JACK@SSES of this company!

 

[ohplease!]

Well than that's easy to fix...every pilot should go out and buy about 10,000 lbs of crap....garage sale, maybe sand and let the company move it to ATL! when you get it there, give it to good will or dump it at BL's house! Could produce some pretty good laughter for the JACK@SSES of this company!

thats not a bad idea. It'd be funny to see....too bad there aren't 10 who'd actually do it.

 

[Erlanger]

The LAX operation was suppose to be temporary and the ASA MEC was informed of that.

 

["GO AROUND"]

LAX was always only a 6 month project! There was no lease or other commitment made past June '07. This is one reason that you never had a LAX security badge.

The mainline had to have someone in LAX pronto to protect the unused gates or otherwise they were going to lose them. The LAX airport was one of two opponents to the reorganization plan. LAX had not received proper payment since the filing. LAX airport wanted those unused gates forfeited so they could lease them out to some other airline--which would have happened overnight had they been freed up.

XJET had been awarded the RFP bid in LAX prior to December, (November to be exact) but logistically could not start until June '07. The gates had to be protected by using them by last December. So, the unamed airline was used temporarily to protect those gates, with full knowledge that the operation would be short term until June.

Probably, no one, or certainly not enough, would have bid permanent positions in LAX with that knowledge. That would have forced your company to have TDY'd crew members there at great expense to the company. Quite simply, the information was withheld at your expense to cap their expenses.

Do you have the vision? Do you feel like a fellow team member who has been treated fairly and with respect? Do you feel like you are employed by one of the most trusted airlines in the eyes of the customers and the employees?

Your guiding principles allow you to challenge! Ask your Leadership Team if they have been honest with you in regard to LAX. They knew more than you were told, and they knew it in December, '06.

Delta pilots and FA's aren't badged either. What you say may be true but because we were'nt badged has nothing to do with it.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The LAX operation was suppose to be temporary and the ASA MEC was informed of that.

Completely false statement. They were never informed of the true nature of the base by ASA management.

I usually have my suspicions that you are making up most of your mighty pronouncements, but I know for a fact that you are wrong about this.

Your false assertion that the ASA MEC was aware of the temporary nature of the LAX base from the get-go should make everyone here question the validity of your other "factual" statements. I won't even get into your statement that the ASA MEC assured SKW management that they would not strike as long as there were no pay and work rule concessions; but suffice it to say, you're way off the mark there also.

But thanks for trying, Brad. Back to your wives now......

 

[Lance Uppercut]

ASA blows. They are never ontime, and it has infected the skywest side too.

You guys have too many chiefs and not enough indians.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

We have too many indians and not enough pilgrims.

 

[Speedtape]

ASA blows. They are never ontime, and it has infected the skywest side too.

You guys have too many chiefs and not enough indians.

Yeah, Well............But, most of us only have ONE wife, and sometimes that's one too many!

Never on time? We operate at the busiest airport in the world, in an 18 hour operation with multiple banks, 30-45 minute scheduled turns, 10-11 hour aircraft utilization, not enough gates and more flights added despite that, and in a part of the country that is exposed to ice storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, and severe thunderstorms (that can occur at any time of the year.) Did I mention Fog? Oh yeah, regular ATC ground delays are common. It's a wonder that it works as well as it does!

You operate most of your flights in SLC, where you have about 4 major flight banks, 6-8 hour aircraft utilization per day, hour + turns, plenty of real estate, an occasional snow storm, and rarely have ATC delays. Bid ATL and see what the real world is like!

 

[WWEfan]

We have too many indians and not enough pilgrims.

Possibly the funniest thing I have read on this board.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ASApuppy]

Delta pilots and FA's aren't badged either. What you say may be true but because we were'nt badged has nothing to do with it.

Those that were badged in December have expiration dates of June, 2007. Ask anyone at LAX how long there SIDA badges are for and they will tell you 2 years. Always has been.

What I think is that management knew by the time we opened it that we were gone in 6 months. Look back to when the newhire class got to bid back to ATL without being replaced in LAX and you will have the exact week that they knew. Tutt slipped and told one of the LAX pilots that he had been working for months to reduce the number of impacted pilots.

Hindsight is 20/20.

We need to now focus on the significance of the ATL ramp deal. If you think they just found out last week and rolled-over over the loss of the gates, let alone the employee's, I have an island in the bahama's to sell you. This is the start of something big!

 

[AV8700]

We need to now focus on the significance of the ATL ramp deal. If you think they just found out last week and rolled-over over the loss of the gates, let alone the employee's, I have an island in the bahama's to sell you. This is the start of something big![/quote]


are you talking about gate agents or did Skywest sell all the gates back to Delta also?

 

[Tarzan]

ASA blows. They are never ontime, and it has infected the skywest side too.

You guys have too many chiefs and not enough indians.

I guess you guys are starting to see what it's really like it ATL. Your ontime performance there sucks as well. ASA pilots fault? Hardly. It's the nature of ATL.

Skywest's on time performance at ORD is comparable to what ours is in ATL. Why not start barking about that as well? Is that our fault too?

 

[wms]

I guess you guys are starting to see what it's really like it ATL. Your ontime performance there sucks as well. ASA pilots fault? Hardly. It's the nature of ATL.

Skywest's on time performance at ORD is comparable to what ours is in ATL. Why not start barking about that as well? Is that our fault too?

Delta handles SKYW in ATL, so their ATL performance has nothing to do with us.

PS: I recently had trips through SLC and we were never on time. Wrong pax boarded our plane while we were in mx, fuel 45 min late every time, releases brought down late every time, etc. And we were handled by SKYW.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Delta handles SKYW in ATL, so their ATL performance has nothing to do with us.

PS: I recently had trips through SLC and we were never on time. Wrong pax boarded our plane while we were in mx, fuel 45 min late every time, releases brought down late every time, etc. And we were handled by SKYW.

Thats because we wanted you to feel at home....

 

[bacardi]

I moved all my belongings from DFW to SLC to ATL to LAX now I just set up my move back to ATL, how much do you think that has cost ASA