Lear70
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OK, you're just not getting it, so I guess I'll have to explain more.so, Lear 70, it is not competition if it is not in the same Aircraft type, ???come on, It does not matter what type of Aircraft it is that is competing against you, seats in the market are seats...
Northwest didn't operate that market to make a profit.
Northwest operated that market in an attempt to drive Midwest out of business.
The reason it didn't work is that it was never PLANNED to be a long-term competitive operation. It was believed you guys would cave LONG before they filed Bankruptcy. You didn't. They filed. Then they pulled out.
I mentioned the aircraft type to point out the aircraft/fare combination Northwest was using was a money-loser and they knew it would be that way going in.
WE at AirTran, however, can compete with you directly in the MKE because our CASM is so much lower. Not that I think a war is a good thing (it's not), but you were stating that Midwest somehow "beat" Northwest and AirTran out. You didn't. Northwest beat themselves, and we're INCREASING service.
Ummm... I believe you work in the industry as well, but that statement simply isn't true.Lear70, I believe you work in the airline industry, you should know that senority is everything. Even if you can make a few $ more at another place, you do not just give up seniority, life style, good contract and stabilty, maybe move to a new domicile, unless your company is going down the drain and they are shutting the doors.
I worked at Pinnacle. I don't think they are going out of business anytime soon (in fact, they just bought another airline and announced a new codeshare with a bunch of new airplanes).
I took a pay CUT and a quality of life loss (short-term) to leave there to come to AirTran for a better long-term investment in my career earnings and eventual better quality of life.
Less than a year later, my quality of life is 10 times better than it was, and the money will come.
Thousands of pilots do that every year jumping from regionals to majors. By your comparison they should stay put?
Incidentally, a pilot leaving AirTran going to work for FedEx would make more than FOUR times the income than they would here over a career plus their pension which is in no danger of going away.
I think you're WAY off-base here.
Maybe it is a sign that you don't like AirTran. Your opinions are very openly biased.But you seem to agree there is more stability at SWA or fedex vs. AAI. 2 years ago nobody would have considered AAI unstable, maybe it is a sign that things are not going to well.
FedEx is the epitome of stability. People will always need to ship packages, and their profit margins are EXTREMELY good.
SWA is arguably more stable, but with no argument in long-terms earnings potential being better than AAI by almost 3 times potential career earnings for 25+ year careers.
Maybe YOU'D be content to stay put making half what you could somewhere else with the same or better QOL.
I believe you're in the minority.
Actually, almost ALL the guys who have left are senior to me, and I'm just over the 1,000 mark. Moved up just under 40 numbers in 3 months.Nobody is running out the door...pleeeeez ...maybe real junior newhires that had iron's in the fire prior to AirTran .. ...who can blame em...good luck.. I just want to make it to 60..
If you're not a Captain here and you get a call from FedEx or SWA, unless you just happen to live in ATL, you'd be crazy from a $$$ standpoint to stay.