Another Mesaba Pilots Claim Question

[naglasair1]

I am a current furlough and trying to come back in April. I read that a furloughed pilot doesn't get the same in the claim that a non-furloughed pilot will, and that the furloughed pilot can't collect until Mesaba exits bankruptcy.

My Question is if I am back on the "Active" pilots list by the time Mesaba exits bankruptcy can I also get the "active pilot" portion of the claim? -or- Is it still all based on those "magic dates" from DEC&JAN?

-Sorry if it sounds like I am beating a dead horse.

 

[XJohXJ]

It all depends on the magic dates. If you were furloughed as of Jan 31 '07, you are part of the furlough claim.

 

[SEVEN]

I am a current furlough and trying to come back in April. I read that a furloughed pilot doesn't get the same in the claim that a non-furloughed pilot will, and that the furloughed pilot can't collect until Mesaba exits bankruptcy.

My Question is if I am back on the "Active" pilots list by the time Mesaba exits bankruptcy can I also get the "active pilot" portion of the claim? -or- Is it still all based on those "magic dates" from DEC&JAN?

-Sorry if it sounds like I am beating a dead horse.

Even still, it's a nice chunk of change. I think it will be around 10k per furloughed pilot.

 

[naglasair1]

Thanks for the info.

See you all on the line.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Champion not what you thought it would be?

 

[naglasair1]

For an average trip on reserve I would have 3 deadheads for one revenue flight. For example : DHD from DTW-ORD-LAX...sit in LAX for 10 hours...fly from LAX-SEA...(by this time it is 1am SEA time/4am DTW)...sit in SEA for 4 hours than DHD from SEA-DTW on the 6am flight. Than once you step foot in DTW scheduling calls you and tells you to enjoy your afternoon off and report again later that night for another trip. No min. day.

There are many day trips from DTW to LAS, CUN, etc, ....food is great if you are flying an NBA team around. It is just GREAT to get in 8 hours of flying in 10 total hours duty! (day trip)

Overall Champion is not too bad but you will get the crap beat out of you by scheduling about twice a month or so.

Captain upgrade is about 6 to 9 years....I am looking for the fastest upgrade and the most stable schedule for the baby on the way so that is why I am leaving.

-Sorry about the long responce, I just thought someone might be interested about life at Champion.

By the way...they are DESPERATE for more FE's.....if you want a job

 

[big shacks]

Fastest upgrade and stable schedule at XJ? Possibly in the future, but something tells me NOT! I've been at XJ just under 3 years and might of made a good decision to stick around. ALPA Claim, potential growth ect. Congrats on the baby though.

 

[naglasair1]

Thanks "big shacks" ....I just hope this is the right move, but only time will tell.
-see you on the line

 

[xjhawk]

As far as i know a couple people went to champion from XJ, The one I talked to that is a former shamrock guy said he was thinking about not coming back. The other shamrock guy from what I heard, he was not coming back either. But then I saw one of their names on the furlough return list. Anyone coming back I would think has a stake in about ten grand in their 401k and an upgrade in a little over a year. Thats if NWA does not take away planes again. nothing is a given in this industry, but so far it looks good for the future (if you do not look to the past too much)

 

[naglasair1]

xjhawk - I couldn't agree with you more...you never know so you just gamble on your hand the best you can!

There were 6 mesaba guys in my Champion class and I know that at least 4 are coming back for sure.

Does anyone think that Compass airplanes might go to mainline and we might end up with 90 crj-900's or is this rumor totally unfounded?

 

[SEVEN]

xjhawk - I couldn't agree with you more...you never know so you just gamble on your hand the best you can!

There were 6 mesaba guys in my Champion class and I know that at least 4 are coming back for sure.

Does anyone think that Compass airplanes might go to mainline and we might end up with 90 crj-900's or is this rumor totally unfounded?

I would not be surprised if Mesaba does in fact get the majority of the 900's. Look at what happened with Pinnacle/Express 1 a few years back. They now have over a hundred airplanes while Mesaba was getting knocked down. History will most certainly repeat itself.

 

[xjhawk]

some people on here are spreading rumors (YPF) just watch out for any claims on here that are not backed up with a news release. As for betting your career, what you should do? I have no idea. But I see that if NWA bought us to sell us off when the industry is more stable, then they have to give us about a 100 new jets and a longer contract. The other thing is if they want to keep us around, well we are cheap growth, so I would suspect more than 36 jets, but again if you read the scope at NWA, it means 50 900's. Worst case scenerio is as such. 1, NWA pilot scope screws us on planes and they take seats from us. 2. delta/NWA merger/aquisition-lower number of flights/jobs

This is speculation and my guess. bet your career on your best guess. I hope for the best here and hope for 90 900's

 

[naglasair1]

I was hired in Nov 2004 and furloughed on Aug 2006. Would I be coming in at 3 year pay, or was my payscale frozen back in Aug?

Also what is the new payscale for F.O. after the paycuts?

 

[XJohXJ]

Longevity is frozen for furloughees. You'll come back at 2 year pay, and stay there for 3 months (whatever the exact gap is), then go to 3 year pay.

 

[gnx99]

Longevity is frozen for furloughees. You'll come back at 2 year pay, and stay there for 3 months (whatever the exact gap is), then go to 3 year pay.

Are you serious??

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

It's weird how clocks continue to tick while you're furloughed and others freeze.

I think if you worked here for two years, were furloughed for two, and came back, it would be at two-year pay, not four year.

 

[SplitBar]

Are you serious??

23.1C Longevity & Seniority

A furloughed pilot will retain longevity accured to the time of furlough and will retain and continue to accrue seniority while on furlough.



Pretty standard airline language.

 

[fowingman]

Does mesaba have cancellation pay?
Do they have block or better?

 

[XJohXJ]

yes and yes

 

[whaleroast]

Hey gumby, how's pokey?

 

[naglasair1]

Does anyone know the new payrate for 2yr fo's? I remember that before I was furloughed I was at 28 per hour.

 

[SplitBar]

If you factor in your creditor claim, you will make more under the concessionary contract than you would have under the old contract. Crazy but true. How ironic.

 

[naglasair1]

-Great point Splitbar