Hawker 800 XP Type

[darling pretty]

Can anyone suggest the least expensive facility for a Hawker 800 XP Type for a fairly experienced pilot (5000+ hrs)?

Thanks!

 

[StarHustler]

I did mine last month at CAE Simuflite at DFW. The company paid for it but I saw the bill. Just over 18K. I hear SimCom in Orlando is cheaper though.

 

[guido411]

Why are you paying for your own type?!!!!!

 

[Raskal]

Man, paying for your type is a bit pricey, but I'm fairly certain that the cheapest type is Simcom in ORL...but I won't vouch for quality. You want thourogh go to Simuflite.

 

[Dep676]

Simuflite would be your best bet. When I was there for mine, there was a 91 operator that said they were they beacause FSI was around 25K and Simuflite was under 20K. At least that is the number he used for Simuflite.

I do not think I would use SIMCOM either.

 

[Hawker800]

Simcom was the cheapest of the three last year. I do not know about this years prices. Simcom has a 800 simulator class C. The instructors are just as good as the others and I have been to the others. Simuflite has a good 800XP simulator and I think it is a level D if I recall correctly. FSI is the most expensive. Call them and see.

 

[learflyer]

If you go to Simcom, you would go through the 800a groundschool for 7 days, then start sim (800a) for 7 more, and then checkride. You will go through a 800 xp differences course (4 hours) sometime during the week of the sim.

 

[ruhroa]

i don't remember exact;y what it was but we fly part 135 and when we had hawkers we got a guy that had gone thru simcom and his type was restricted or they don't do some things that simuflite/flight safety does. he was lucky as we had a in house program that was able to cover what was missing. check into the training syllabus(sp) very carefully and also what is signed off on the 8410........good luck

 

[LXJ31]

I'm kind of curious as well; why are you paying for your own type?

 

[lazyace75]

SimCom's Hawker price

$18,600 = SimCom's Hawker series initial for 2007 .


15 days for type rating then 4 hrs. of 800XP differences ground training at the end.

 

[deadstick]

I seem to recall that CAE will adjust the price for contact pilots. It's still not cheap, but better than nothing.

 

[G100driver]

You say that you are fairly expirenced, but do not appear to have any type ratings. Not that is a problem, but unless you have been through the drill it will not be as easy as you seem to think given your original post.

The price is the same weather you have 6 types or none.

Whatever the case is, do not purchase your own type. Makes it more difficult for all of us out here trying to keep the bar high.

Good luck.

PS If I assumed incorrectly then my appologies.

 

[Dep676]

$18,600 = SimCom's Hawker series initial for 2007 .


15 days for type rating then 4 hrs. of 800XP differences ground training at the end.

No way I would do this. If you are going to be flying an XP then you want to do the training in an XP sim. After all if you are really paying for it yourself, you want the best training. Why would you spend 15 days learning an airplane that you are not going to fly. Yes it is the same type but there are differences and I would want more than some 4 hour class on them. Besides someone said that SIMCOM does not have a level D sim, that right there would steer me away from them.

I know when I went through initial at Simuflite we had XP and 800 guys in the class together. You can learn enough about the 800 that way and fly the XP sim.

Remember you get what you pay for too. That goes for everything in life. It is your choice but do you want a KIA or a Caddy?

 

[jschroed]

I just returned from FSI 800XP Initial last week witch lasted 17 days. I thought the training was great. I not sure exactly what it costs (somewhere around 30K I’d guess) plus hotel, meals, ect. Not that its any of my business but, I hope your salary is off the chart to offset the cost of training if you are footing the bill. Good Luck.

 

[learflyer]

No way I would do this. If you are going to be flying an XP then you want to do the training in an XP sim. After all if you are really paying for it yourself, you want the best training. Why would you spend 15 days learning an airplane that you are not going to fly. Yes it is the same type but there are differences and I would want more than some 4 hour class on them. Besides someone said that SIMCOM does not have a level D sim, that right there would steer me away from them.

I know when I went through initial at Simuflite we had XP and 800 guys in the class together. You can learn enough about the 800 that way and fly the XP sim.

Remember you get what you pay for too. That goes for everything in life. It is your choice but do you want a KIA or a Caddy?

The training at Simcom is just as good if not better than the other two. (not taking away from them). The facilities are nice, and you get way more than you pay for. There is ZERO attrition with the instructors. ALL of the guys I know there have been there since the beginning. Just my two cents.

 

[lazyace75]

No way I would do this. If you are going to be flying an XP then you want to do the training in an XP sim. After all if you are really paying for it yourself, you want the best training. Why would you spend 15 days learning an airplane that you are not going to fly. Yes it is the same type but there are differences and I would want more than some 4 hour class on them. Besides someone said that SIMCOM does not have a level D sim, that right there would steer me away from them.

I know when I went through initial at Simuflite we had XP and 800 guys in the class together. You can learn enough about the 800 that way and fly the XP sim.

Remember you get what you pay for too. That goes for everything in life. It is your choice but do you want a KIA or a Caddy?

I understand your point of view but why would you spend another $12K just so you can get a Level-D XP sim? The cockpit is basically the same layout. The only big difference are the engines (which doesn't mean really anything while flying a sim).

As far as a Level C or D, who gives a hoot?!?! Level C sim is a full-motion sim that allows you to do everything to pass a type check. Just because it doesn't have a wrap around visual shouldn't matter since your only there to perform emergency/abnormal procedures anyway. Who cares what it looks like "outside".

FSI is way overpriced for what you get, especially if you're having to pay for it yourself.

In the end, aren't we all ending up with the same thing on the certificate anyway???

 

[Dep676]

The training at Simcom is just as good if not better than the other two. (not taking away from them). The facilities are nice, and you get way more than you pay for. There is ZERO attrition with the instructors. ALL of the guys I know there have been there since the beginning. Just my two cents.

Well I used to fly with one of the instructors there, at least he said he was an instructor there, and I would not want him teaching me how to fly a 172.

 

[Dep676]

I understand your point of view but why would you spend another $12K just so you can get a Level-D XP sim? The cockpit is basically the same layout. The only big difference are the engines (which doesn't mean really anything while flying a sim).

As far as a Level C or D, who gives a hoot?!?! Level C sim is a full-motion sim that allows you to do everything to pass a type check. Just because it doesn't have a wrap around visual shouldn't matter since your only there to perform emergency/abnormal procedures anyway. Who cares what it looks like "outside".

FSI is way overpriced for what you get, especially if you're having to pay for it yourself.

In the end, aren't we all ending up with the same thing on the certificate anyway???

Well just read an above post that stated that someone went through SIMCOM and had a restriction on his ticket.

I am not saying go to FSI anyway. I know they are overpriced. I would go to Simuflite.

 

[EMU]

I have attended all three schools for the Hawker, I recomend SimuFlite! FSI is also very good but more expensive. FSI also expects you to be able to build the airplane for the type. CAE just wants you to be able to fly it. It has been several years since I have attended Simcom, but I would recomend going somewhere else.

I also agree with others about going to school for the model you will be flying, including avionics specific.

And why is it again your paying for your type??!!

 

[Canucit]

flight saftey is very expensive but they are very good at what they do and very personal
But in saying so I have only gone to the facility at ICT
so I can not speak for the other places or anybody else
in fact I just finished recurrent there tonight and the Sim was one of the new electric ones for the 850 and it flew very well (for a Sim)