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SIDs and STARs -- who approves these, who names these

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shon7

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In the US does the FAA work on new SIDs and STARs. What about the names given to these? Finally, do the airlines have any day in the SIDs and STARS (say UAL at ORD, or DL at ATL)?
 
Had an airport owner once be very forceful in getting a RNAV approach to our little airport. The FAA named the FAF "PUSHY."
 
I know mil bases work with the FAA through their FAA rep to design and TERPS approaches so I assume individual airports and RAPCONs do the same for SIDs/STARs. The ILS final to RWY 36 at Hurlburt Field is named after a strip club in the area.
 
Its usually a working group that includes the facilities involved. When 16R/34L opened in SLC, they renamed all the intersections, except for DYANN, using golf terminology. Since then a few of them have changed.

A lot of the time they use names that are associated with the area, like barbeque in Kansas City, hotels in Las Vegas, and various sport teams.
 
And speaking of Vegas, the new RNAV departure bringing back the right turn climb off RWY 25 starts in March (STAAV3). I wish it had been called the SCRWU2 for all the noise whiners in northwest Vegas who are trying to stop it. I'm sick of 45 minute taxi times because of having only one departure gate.

And, for our next ATC experiment, CLIMB VIA departures will start testing in May. What could go wrong?
 
I know we ask direct BIGAL and pronounced it begal and they controller said its "Big Al" and it was named after me! We did get any directs after that!
 
The Air Force has its own Terpsters and they design procedures for USAF fields. The Terpster picks the waypoint names (with a little help from those in the approval process). These waypoints have to be compared against the ICAO database to ensure there is no duplication. I'm pretty sure that the FAA Terpsters follow the pretty much the same procedures.
 
Here's a grim one.

ILS 28R CMH - 6.4 fix GOTSL ("got slow"), 3.3 fix UNOIT ("you know it")


ACA 6291


The aircraft stalled while executing the ILS approach to runway 28L during a snowstorm. Failure of the flight crew to use adequate power to maintain airspeed during the final approach segment of the flight.
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Final oversight is in OKC with the Flight procedure standards office AFS-420.
Then flight checked via the Flight inspection field offices ("flightcheck" call sign) Great flying job if you can get one.

I did TERPs in the military. Funny, every time I'd name the fixes something I liked they would come back named after the CO and his staff. Good to be the king.
Ever have any problems sleeping and the tax code isn't available, pick up a TERPs manual.
 
ATRCAPT said:
...sweet...

I dig some of the names in and around BNA, all having to do with country music.
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All the country music stars, and yet there is a fix on an arrival for BNA named after me (which is a very long story)....

Boy, if the management tools at ASA could crack that code, they could figure out who I am (which would be bad for me, I'm sure.......)
 
shon7 said:
In the US does the FAA work on new SIDs and STARs. What about the names given to these? Finally, do the airlines have any day in the SIDs and STARS (say UAL at ORD, or DL at ATL)?
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Some meaningless trivia but if I'm not mistaken, the term "SID" is now one of those defunct, gone by the wayside aviation terms.

Its now a "Departure Procedure".

Good topic though.
You could expand it and do the airport identifier discussion too.
Here's one.

CVG

Its Covington, Kentucky.
 
Heard coming into BNA late at night:

Eagle: "Nashville tower, Eagle 541 just coming inside Lreta (unsure of spelling).

Tower: "When you're done, you're cleared to land."
 
Back in the day, the ILS to 27R in PHL had a fix called "Jonie" (SP?). I would hear people checking in to tower that the were "coming on Jonie" or "Dropping our shorts over Jonie" for the SD-3 guys.......

I think the fix in LAS is called "Tysen" (SP?), oh wait I think I bit off more than I can chew on that one...........
 
I don't have the plates in front of me, but aren't there some fixes on approach to MCI named, SPICY, BARBQ, RIBBS? (sp?)

Anyway, FAF at Aberdeen, SD is called DASCL (SP?) (Tom Dachle)
 
I like Pikin and Grnin into Nashville!
 
In Arizona most are named after a location on the ground that it over flys. Ie. Arlin Arrival fliys over the little town of Arlin. Who knew???? Some are named after other things like sport teams, ie. SUNNS and DBACK Arrivals and some are named for personal reasons. I can’t think of an example with the STARS or SIDS but intersections like ALLEY and AMBER on the ARLIN arrival are named after two daughters of the Airspace and Procedures Specialist that designed the arrival. AVERY intersection on the IWA ILS is named after an old IWA tower manager. (I can’t remember his first name) Numerous other examples. Oh, and I thought of an example of “personal” for the arrivals. The MADWN STAR into OAK is named after a Steve Madwin who was a controller at Oakland Center (ZOA).
 

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