Piedmont Flowthrough

[jellynuts]

It is of little importance right now due to the lack of hiring at US Airways but I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the status of a flowthrough for Piedmont to US Airways.

Talked to some people at Piedmont and they are under the impression that a flowthrough is concrete and exists so that if US Airways were to hire tomorrow they would have to take pilots from the wholly owneds before anyone off the street. If this were the case why are there discussions between Piedmont and US Airways MEC about the flowthrough?

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Oh boy... don your flame retardant gear jelly!

INCOMING!!!! RUN FOR COVER!!!!

Talk to 3 different flowthrough committee members, get three different answers. Call 'em up and let us know what they say.

Basic gist of it is that it does exist on paper. Whether or not our MEC will step on there di*ks and screw it up is yet to be seen.

 

[doug_or]

yeah....... good luck with that. I'm sure CD has it alllllll under control.

 

[Whataburger]

At PDT in "98. Flowthru was right around the corner.

 

[trainer8]

yeah....... good luck with that. I'm sure CD has it alllllll under control.

CD is gone as of next month. PDT boys elected a new MEC Chairman.

New regime, new ideas. Good luck. They are half way through the APL.

 

[trainer8]

It is of little importance right now due to the lack of hiring at US Airways but I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the status of a flowthrough for Piedmont to US Airways.

Talked to some people at Piedmont and they are under the impression that a flowthrough is concrete and exists so that if US Airways were to hire tomorrow they would have to take pilots from the wholly owneds before anyone off the street.

Flow Through News...no flame...

Flow-through is back-burnered for right now until AWA/LCC seniority integration is decided. That will take place in May or June when the Arbitration results are released.

APL recalls are halfway through the list.

If this were the case why are there discussions between Piedmont and US Airways MEC about the flowthrough?

There are no current discussions taking place. The PSA MEC chairman "discussed" over-all industry flow through issues with ALPA President John Prater at a recent roadshow in CLT, but there are no scheduled discussions with the AAA MEC.

The PSA MEC has filed a grievance to remove AAA APL pilots who were former CEL pilots who are currently flying J4J positions at PSA. That grievance is headed into arbitration very soon. The overall situation at PSA toward former CEL pilots who are current APL pilots continues to impede discussions.

T8

 

[doug_or]

CD is gone as of next month. PDT boys elected a new MEC Chairman.

New regime, new ideas. Good luck. They are half way through the APL.

I've been out of the loop for a few months. Good to hear. Best of luck to y'all.

 

[twighead]

I've been out of the loop for a few months. Good to hear. Best of luck to y'all.

Since you decided to leave PDT, I hereby strip you of your Mr. Uspie title. You are a disgrace to the uniform

 

[dav8or]

Flow creates 3 training events
Hiring off the street takes one

Why would any company want to pay for more training?

 

[Swaayze]

Except that there are a finite number of jobs, so that flow pilot will leave for the job that the off the street guy didn't take thereby creating the additional training event(s). Bad logic.

 

[doug_or]

Since you decided to leave PDT, I hereby strip you of your Mr. Uspie title. You are a disgrace to the uniform

In my 10 monthes of reserve I did enough double DHs to earn a permant title (it was cemented after the LYH TSA called me Mr. Uspie with a stright face). I have no agrument about the digrace to uniform, though. In fact I wholeheartly agree.

 

[loser]

half way through the APL to equipment other than the 190. hopefully we get our act together soon.

 

[lear24]

Why would any company want to pay for more training?

To hold up their end of a deal that we took concessions to get. We gave back, and were to get this as a reward for our pain. The company is not going to make a flowthrough out of the goodness of their hearts, they're doing it so as not to violate the collective bargaining agreement.

 

[ponder]

Maybe you Piedmont guys can stall untill
there is no chance of an Ex-MidAtlantic
pilot flowing back and taking your seat.
Then you could flow up to USAirways
and make lots of money. The timing is
trickey, though.
-Ponder

 

[olympus593]

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

Don't get to excited even IF and that a big F***ING IF we get that flow thru look at the pay rates also they got worst work rules than we do.

Next IF we get 400, yeah right...

In other news for recall on the 190 (only) they sent recall letter to the last 255 pilot on furlought last week.

 

[Quimby]

flowthrough & jets.....right around the corner.

 

[Whataburger]

Christmas to be exact. Would you like a cheese wheel or RJ ornament this year?

 

[LearLove]

In other news for recall on the 190 (only) they sent recall letter to the last 255 pilot on furlought last week.

I don't know who over there is feeding you guys this info but once again you or the somebody telling you, this is way off.

letters have been sent out going down to (give or take a month) March 1999 hires. These are just letters. Not recall class dates. The people getting these letters will not be in class for some months to come. It is going to be a long time (1.5 to 2 years from NOW 2/7/2007) before they get to the bottom of the APL and have everyone online or in class.

TWO (poss 3) FACTORS still undetermined about the length of recall:

1. AAA/AWA list merger - if it goes more in AAA favor you will see more guys return futther extending recall
2. LCC future performance - remember we have a big history of screwing things up
possibly 3. Age 60 going to 65

Also what if Dougy gets an order for 737's and something else bigger but says hey mainline guys - in order to get these real mainline aircraft you have to give up the 190's. The mainline guys bite but instead of the new 737 and other new aircraft being growth at mainline Slick Dougy sheds some of the older mainline aircraft resulting in little net gain/growth for mainline.

 

[flypixs]

I read the same about the recall. A friend of mine, yes I have some friends at AAA, got a letter and he does not have a class date until somewhere around summer. The flow Piedmont is selling to new hires is not going to take place until early 2009. Pdt is going to upgrade 30 pilots this year. That's it. They can hardly keep up with the F/o's they are losing on a daily basis.
Flow up or not, if you are a F/o at Pdt, I would say you should look for some other train to jump on.

Sad, but true

 

[olympus593]

I don't know who over there is feeding you guys this info but once again you or the somebody telling you, this is way off.

letters have been sent out going down to (give or take a month) March 1999 hires. These are just letters. Not recall class dates. The people getting these letters will not be in class for some months to come. It is going to be a long time (1.5 to 2 years from NOW 2/7/2007) before they get to the bottom of the APL and have everyone online or in class.

I'm getting very worried about you Lear do you have ADD or something.
Who feeding me what? You comfirmed exacly what I said letters have been sent to the 1999 group for the 190.

 

[Thermocouple]

That's 22 more than PSA upgraded last year.

I read the same about the recall. A friend of mine, yes I have some friends at AAA, got a letter and he does not have a class date until somewhere around summer. The flow Piedmont is selling to new hires is not going to take place until early 2009. Pdt is going to upgrade 30 pilots this year. That's it. They can hardly keep up with the F/o's they are losing on a daily basis.
Flow up or not, if you are a F/o at Pdt, I would say you should look for some other train to jump on.

Sad, but true

 

[Flyin2low]

At PDT in "98. Flowthru was right around the corner.

They said that in 1989 too.

 

[LearLove]

I'm getting very worried about you Lear do you have ADD or something.
Who feeding me what? You comfirmed exacly what I said letters have been sent to the 1999 group for the 190.

there are no positions open for the 190 right now.

 

[Crzipilot]

Actually there are 4 190 f/o slots open right now. The letter that have gone out are NOT recall letters. They are letters saying they are getting close to your Number. There aren't any letters going out, for classes in the summer sometime either. Right now they are down to 3/99 class dates. The letters that went out were sent to 4/99 class dates. The person in the 3/99 class date, was told he'd have a possible class in March or April. The current bid they are working on is for May 1st. Meaning your trained and qualified for the equipment on that date. Either way, No one past 4/99 has gotten a letter. They have a long way to go before they even reach the summer of 99. About 300-500 more people to get through the summer of 99.

 

[EDUC8-or]

I saw a 737 with the new paint scheme today which would tell me Doug P has a plan of some sort up his sleeve. Why paint them if they're going to get rid of them?

 

[twighead]

That's 22 more than PSA upgraded last year.

I have no idea where that 30 pilots upgrading at PDT comes from. According to the the "ask PDT" feature in the employee section of the website, they stated that they were only upgrading 18, or something like that, in 2007.

I think the upgrade may be even worse here than at PSA. According to Airline Pilot Central, your most junior captain has a 2002 DOH. PDT's most junior CA is a 2001 DOH, and there a still plenty of '00 holdouts. Either way, it's a pitiful looking future for any of the wholly owned FO's.