Air Tran gives 3 year old the boot

[jws717]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/ap_on_re_us/flight_tantrum
front page news, I say thank god. People need to learn how to control their kids. Nothing like getting you seat kicked for 2 hours on a commute.

 

[Deuce130]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/ap_on_re_us/flight_tantrum
front page news, I say thank god. People need to learn how to control their kids. Nothing like getting you seat kicked for 2 hours on a commute.

Spoken like someone who's never had to control an upset kid. I agree that parents need to control their children in public, but this is overkill. Put yourself in their shoes. It's not like they didn't know they had a problem or werent' trying to solve the issue. My pregnant wife is flying across the country in a few days and I hope she doesn't get stuck next to a self-righteous jerk on the way. She's going to have enough problems without having arrogant commuters or bitchy flight attendants to deal with.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quote- We just needed a little more time to hold her.

A 5 minute trip to the lav could have solved the whole situation.

Spare the rod.....

 

[Doug Parker]

The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and the Kuleszas flew home the next day.


Will they be able to keep rates that low AND serve fresh-baked Chocolate chip cookies??



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[jetexas]

Quote- We just needed a little more time to hold her.

A 5 minute trip to the lav could have solved the whole situation.

Spare the rod.....

Agreed.

The father said his family would never fly AirTran again

Yeah. It's the airlines fault, uh huh. How about a little emphasis towards his kid to behave when in public??

 

[CA1900]

Spoken like someone who's never had to control an upset kid.

Let me real blunt here: Not my problem.

It's the parents' job to control the kid, and if they can't do it, then the kid has no business on the airplane. Want to take a trip with an infant or a toddler? Drive, or charter your own plane. It's highly inappropriate to subject a whole planeload of people to your screaming child, just because he's a kid.

If I refused to get into my seat, and sat there screaming in the aisle at the top of my lungs, I'd be forcibly removed from the airplane. As it should be. A parent does not have the right to put a screaming noisemaker three feet from my ear.

For plenty more discussion on both sides of the issue....
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2556756

 

[WWEfan]

Buying a ticket only gives you a seat. It does not buy you the right to disrupt the cabin. The parents claim they weren't given time to hold or console their child? Bullsheet! They had 3 years to do that. And yes I am a parent and my children knew how to act at 3 years old...or at least they knew the consequences of non-compliance.

 

[Lake Alice]

If you have temperamental children or cannot control them you should be removed from the aircraft. Kudos to the Tranny crew. Use any argument you want but...

Flying is not your right, it is a priveledge.

 

[Shado38]

Oh, and I bet they won't use those "free" roundtrip tickets sometime in the next year!! Geez...

 

[PSPFAWILL]

They said on Good Morning America they would never fly AirTran again. Also, it was reported they child was on the aisle floor throwing a tantrum. Yep, I would have booted her too - no seatbelt no go!

 

[CA1900]

They said on Good Morning America they would never fly AirTran again.

Then I'm looking forward to my next flight on AirTran.

 

[FlyWolf]

I don't blame the crew at all, its getting ridiculous what parents let their kids do onboard our flights, from gum to pen markings all over those nice leather recaro seats, just despicable. I say control your kids for the sake of everyone onboard the flight. Good job.

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

Its amazing what happens when a kid sees you taking off your belt...................too bad people are "buddies" with their kids and not their parents anymore.

I never end up getting bent over the knee, but the sound of that thing getting clapped together shut me right the he11 up and straightened me out right away.

I don't think I'd ever use it on my kid, but I sure as he11 ain't afraid to tell him its comin!

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Spoken like someone who's never had to control an upset kid. I agree that parents need to control their children in public, but this is overkill. Put yourself in their shoes. It's not like they didn't know they had a problem or werent' trying to solve the issue. My pregnant wife is flying across the country in a few days and I hope she doesn't get stuck next to a self-righteous jerk on the way. She's going to have enough problems without having arrogant commuters or bitchy flight attendants to deal with.

You are way wound up lately. Chill out and enjoy your good life.

 

[AFcitrus]

"The father said his family would never fly AirTran again"

Yea, not until the next time he wants to fly to see Grandma in Florida. He paid $595.80 for three roundtrip tickets all the way across the country (north/south). Right now the cheapest nonstop flights to RSW from BOS and back is $453 per person.

See you next year Mr. Kulesza.

 

[spinproof]

Spoken like someone who's never had to control an upset kid. I agree that parents need to control their children in public, but this is overkill. Put yourself in their shoes. It's not like they didn't know they had a problem or werent' trying to solve the issue. My pregnant wife is flying across the country in a few days and I hope she doesn't get stuck next to a self-righteous jerk on the way. She's going to have enough problems without having arrogant commuters or bitchy flight attendants to deal with.

Spoken like someone that believes that having a child gives them the right to infringe on others!!! What makes people, that have children, believe we should be inconvienced for their lack of control.

Shut the kid up, get in your seat, or get off its that simple clown!
As for your wife the only way you can be sure she doesn't get stuck next to a jerk is for you not to go!!! Better still take a train or a bus and see if that works out!

 

[temcgrew]

This thread bears the evidence of the impatient and non-empathetic society we live in. It doesn't seem like it was the kids fault they were "already running 15 minutes late."

How are the parents or the child infringing on your rights? were does it say on your ticket or anywere else that you have the "right" to quiet time anyway? If you want totall quiet and serenity, I would argue that riding on a jet aircraft is not the place for you anyway.

The reason they were kicked off was that the child wasn't in the seat with the seat belt fastened. Now we've all seen people on cell phones, kids with gameboys and even other adults being unruly and delaying the flight for one reason or another. The only reason I've seen people booted was those that "appear to have been drinking".

Kicking this family off was just plain wrong.


All of you that have perfect kids because of your perfect parenting skills need to relax a little bit and give the parents a break. If they would have spanked the kid, someone would have them kicked off and arrested anyway for child abuse.

 

[spinproof]

This thread bears the evidence of the impatient and non-empathetic society we live in. It doesn't seem like it was the kids fault they were "already running 15 minutes late."

How are the parents or the child infringing on your rights? were does it say on your ticket or anywere else that you have the "right" to quiet time anyway? If you want totall quiet and serenity, I would argue that riding on a jet aircraft is not the place for you anyway.
The reason they were kicked off was that the child wasn't in the seat with the seat belt fastened. Now we've all seen people on cell phones, kids with gameboys and even other adults being unruly and delaying the flight for one reason or another.

Give the parents a break. If they would have spanked the kid, someone would have them kicked off and arrested anyway for child abuse.

You are a complete moron! First of all talking on a cell phone,playing game boys doesn't prevent"pushback" being out of your seat and causing a distrubance does!!!!! secondly comparing "quiet time" to the acceptable noise one encounters while flying is silly and shows your total ignorance of the situation!!! Sooooo STFU!!

 

[temcgrew]

Sounds like someone is having his own little temper tantrum!

 

[CHQFA00]

UEJ500-

Had this EXACT thing happen on one of my flights, and had the same out come. It's not about the child acting out, it's about FAR's. Plain and simple, they need to be in there seat with it fasten. It's a safety issue. What if something did happen during take-off and the child was not properly restrained? I can guarentee that the parents would come back sueing the airline.

You, my friend, ARE WRONG.

 

[temcgrew]

I already said that was the reason they were booted off. So, no I am NOT WRONG.

Why were they already 15 minutes late? It doesnt say it was because of the child.

Everyone else was barking about the "noise" problem on this thread, and that is not why they were booted off.

I agree with you but thanks for being so contentious about it!!

 

[CA1900]

"The father said his family would never fly AirTran again"

Yea, not until the next time he wants to fly to see Grandma in Florida....
See you next year Mr. Kulesza.

Sounds just like my father-in-law.

"I'm never flying Delta again! They were late for weather, but the weather was fine!"

3 months later....

"I had a terrible flight -- I'm never flying Delta again!"

...and repeat. He sorts by price and buys the cheapest ticket, even if a nonstop to his destination is only a few bucks more. Nothing annoys him more than when I reply, "That's what you said last time."

 

[Going2Baja]

Being a parent of a 2.5 year old and another one due in April I can relate. I also grew up as a nonreving kid since birth and my parents taught me the way to behave on an airplane. BUT, being a parent I can also relate to those who are trying to deal with their children. If the child is acting out for attention then spank away and get the child back into reality. If we are talking about an infant who can't be reasoned with and is crying because of pain (ear, food, or ??) then it's NOT the fault of the parents. I for one would ask to get off if my child was acting out and I couldn't control him/her. But for a passenger to expect to have a perfect flight coast to coast is asking too much. I've been stuck in coach in the middle seat of a wide body next to:

1) The guy with Terets that kept smacking me in the head once I'd fall asleep. (Went back to the cockpit and sat it out for the remaining 5 hours.)

2) Between the two fatties that did nothing but eat and talk and wouldn't sit next to each other because they were too huge.

3) Between any number of kids of any age range.

4) The moron who knows how to fix the aviation world and has to let me know his thoughts.

5) The scared old lady that wants 5 hours of ground instruction for free to calm her nerves.

6).......The list goes on and on as I'm sure it does for most of us.

So bottom line - get over it. Kids have rights to. Be a good parent and instruct your kids of appropriate behavior before getting to the airport and do the best you can.

As for you non-reving complainers - I'll listen to your rant the day you buy a ticket....Until then, sit down, buckel up, and shut up - you're riding for FREE!!!

My $.02.....Baja.

 

[CA1900]

How are the parents or the child infringing on your rights? were does it say on your ticket or anywere else that you have the "right" to quiet time anyway?

It's a general expectation in a public place.

Are you suggesting that it's entirely appropriate for me to sit in my seat and blow a compressed-air horn for the entire flight?

How about your kid banging his silverware on the table at a nice restaurant, which his six-month-old brother screams his head off for twenty minutes? I witnessed exactly that at The Melting Pot on New Year's Eve. Totally inappropriate, just as it would be in an airplane.

 

[Deuce130]

Being a parent of a 2.5 year old and another one due in April I can relate. I also grew up as a nonreving kid since birth and my parents taught me the way to behave on an airplane. BUT, being a parent I can also relate to those who are trying to deal with their children. If the child is acting out for attention then spank away and get the child back into reality. If we are talking about an infant who can't be reasoned with and is crying because of pain (ear, food, or ??) then it's NOT the fault of the parents. I for one would ask to get off if my child was acting out and I couldn't control him/her. But for a passenger to expect to have a perfect flight coast to coast is asking too much. I've been stuck in coach in the middle seat of a wide body next to:

1) The guy with Terets that kept smacking me in the head once I'd fall asleep. (Went back to the cockpit and sat it out for the remaining 5 hours.)

2) Between the two fatties that did nothing but eat and talk and wouldn't sit next to each other because they were too huge.

3) Between any number of kids of any age range.

4) The moron who knows how to fix the aviation world and has to let me know his thoughts.

5) The scared old lady that wants 5 hours of ground instruction for free to calm her nerves.

6).......The list goes on and on as I'm sure it does for most of us.

So bottom line - get over it. Kids have rights to. Be a good parent and instruct your kids of appropriate behavior before getting to the airport and do the best you can.

As for you non-reving complainers - I'll listen to your rant the day you buy a ticket....Until then, sit down, buckel up, and shut up - you're riding for FREE!!!

My $.02.....Baja.

Finally a post from someone that makes sense. Again, when my wife flies with our kid next week, I can only hope she doesn't sit next to anyone remotely connected with the airline biz. Hopefully it'll be the little old lady going to see her own grandkids and not the offline commuter who hates the entire traveling public.

 

[CA1900]

As for you non-reving complainers - I'll listen to your rant the day you buy a ticket....Until then, sit down, buckel up, and shut up - you're riding for FREE!!!

I'm normally traveling on a full-fare, last-minute, expensive ticket.


Back when I was non-revving, my airline had a strict policy that children under 8 weren't permitted in first class at all. That's a hint...

 

[Going2Baja]

Kids should be kept out of First Class period. 8 sounds like a legit age to me.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

I already said that was the reason they were booted off. So, no I am NOT WRONG.

Why were they already 15 minutes late? It doesnt say it was because of the child.

Everyone else was barking about the "noise" problem on this thread, and that is not why they were booted off.

I agree with you but thanks for being so contentious about it!!

I had pretty much the same problem a few years back on an EMB-120. The kid was throwing a tantrum and screaming so loud ,it actually was drowning out the FA's safety announcements. Called my MOD and was told to remove the family if the parents were unable to gain controll of the child. With a verball warning to the parents (who begged us not to remove them),the kid was controlled and off we went. (They were taking the brat to Disneyland of course!).

And BTW when did we allow the rights of a 3 yr old to become more important than the rest of civilized society?

 

[CA1900]

And BTW when did we allow the rights of a 3 yr old to become more important than the rest of civilized society?

I think you just hit the root of the problem.

The day parents started trying to be their kids' best friends instead of their parents, we were all doomed to suffer the consequences.


This seems especially appropriate right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BScc2dFpJg (safe for work)

 

[pgcfii2002]

A little duct tape would solve the problem.......