Air Tran gives 3 year old the boot

[temcgrew]

I already said that was the reason they were booted off. So, no I am NOT WRONG.

Why were they already 15 minutes late? It doesnt say it was because of the child.

Everyone else was barking about the "noise" problem on this thread, and that is not why they were booted off.

I agree with you but thanks for being so contentious about it!!

 

[CA1900]

"The father said his family would never fly AirTran again"

Yea, not until the next time he wants to fly to see Grandma in Florida....
See you next year Mr. Kulesza.

Sounds just like my father-in-law.

"I'm never flying Delta again! They were late for weather, but the weather was fine!"

3 months later....

"I had a terrible flight -- I'm never flying Delta again!"

...and repeat. He sorts by price and buys the cheapest ticket, even if a nonstop to his destination is only a few bucks more. Nothing annoys him more than when I reply, "That's what you said last time."

 

[Going2Baja]

Being a parent of a 2.5 year old and another one due in April I can relate. I also grew up as a nonreving kid since birth and my parents taught me the way to behave on an airplane. BUT, being a parent I can also relate to those who are trying to deal with their children. If the child is acting out for attention then spank away and get the child back into reality. If we are talking about an infant who can't be reasoned with and is crying because of pain (ear, food, or ??) then it's NOT the fault of the parents. I for one would ask to get off if my child was acting out and I couldn't control him/her. But for a passenger to expect to have a perfect flight coast to coast is asking too much. I've been stuck in coach in the middle seat of a wide body next to:

1) The guy with Terets that kept smacking me in the head once I'd fall asleep. (Went back to the cockpit and sat it out for the remaining 5 hours.)

2) Between the two fatties that did nothing but eat and talk and wouldn't sit next to each other because they were too huge.

3) Between any number of kids of any age range.

4) The moron who knows how to fix the aviation world and has to let me know his thoughts.

5) The scared old lady that wants 5 hours of ground instruction for free to calm her nerves.

6).......The list goes on and on as I'm sure it does for most of us.

So bottom line - get over it. Kids have rights to. Be a good parent and instruct your kids of appropriate behavior before getting to the airport and do the best you can.

As for you non-reving complainers - I'll listen to your rant the day you buy a ticket....Until then, sit down, buckel up, and shut up - you're riding for FREE!!!

My $.02.....Baja.

 

[CA1900]

How are the parents or the child infringing on your rights? were does it say on your ticket or anywere else that you have the "right" to quiet time anyway?

It's a general expectation in a public place.

Are you suggesting that it's entirely appropriate for me to sit in my seat and blow a compressed-air horn for the entire flight?

How about your kid banging his silverware on the table at a nice restaurant, which his six-month-old brother screams his head off for twenty minutes? I witnessed exactly that at The Melting Pot on New Year's Eve. Totally inappropriate, just as it would be in an airplane.

 

[Deuce130]

Being a parent of a 2.5 year old and another one due in April I can relate. I also grew up as a nonreving kid since birth and my parents taught me the way to behave on an airplane. BUT, being a parent I can also relate to those who are trying to deal with their children. If the child is acting out for attention then spank away and get the child back into reality. If we are talking about an infant who can't be reasoned with and is crying because of pain (ear, food, or ??) then it's NOT the fault of the parents. I for one would ask to get off if my child was acting out and I couldn't control him/her. But for a passenger to expect to have a perfect flight coast to coast is asking too much. I've been stuck in coach in the middle seat of a wide body next to:

1) The guy with Terets that kept smacking me in the head once I'd fall asleep. (Went back to the cockpit and sat it out for the remaining 5 hours.)

2) Between the two fatties that did nothing but eat and talk and wouldn't sit next to each other because they were too huge.

3) Between any number of kids of any age range.

4) The moron who knows how to fix the aviation world and has to let me know his thoughts.

5) The scared old lady that wants 5 hours of ground instruction for free to calm her nerves.

6).......The list goes on and on as I'm sure it does for most of us.

So bottom line - get over it. Kids have rights to. Be a good parent and instruct your kids of appropriate behavior before getting to the airport and do the best you can.

As for you non-reving complainers - I'll listen to your rant the day you buy a ticket....Until then, sit down, buckel up, and shut up - you're riding for FREE!!!

My $.02.....Baja.

Finally a post from someone that makes sense. Again, when my wife flies with our kid next week, I can only hope she doesn't sit next to anyone remotely connected with the airline biz. Hopefully it'll be the little old lady going to see her own grandkids and not the offline commuter who hates the entire traveling public.

 

[CA1900]

As for you non-reving complainers - I'll listen to your rant the day you buy a ticket....Until then, sit down, buckel up, and shut up - you're riding for FREE!!!

I'm normally traveling on a full-fare, last-minute, expensive ticket.


Back when I was non-revving, my airline had a strict policy that children under 8 weren't permitted in first class at all. That's a hint...

 

[Going2Baja]

Kids should be kept out of First Class period. 8 sounds like a legit age to me.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

I already said that was the reason they were booted off. So, no I am NOT WRONG.

Why were they already 15 minutes late? It doesnt say it was because of the child.

Everyone else was barking about the "noise" problem on this thread, and that is not why they were booted off.

I agree with you but thanks for being so contentious about it!!

I had pretty much the same problem a few years back on an EMB-120. The kid was throwing a tantrum and screaming so loud ,it actually was drowning out the FA's safety announcements. Called my MOD and was told to remove the family if the parents were unable to gain controll of the child. With a verball warning to the parents (who begged us not to remove them),the kid was controlled and off we went. (They were taking the brat to Disneyland of course!).

And BTW when did we allow the rights of a 3 yr old to become more important than the rest of civilized society?

 

[CA1900]

And BTW when did we allow the rights of a 3 yr old to become more important than the rest of civilized society?

I think you just hit the root of the problem.

The day parents started trying to be their kids' best friends instead of their parents, we were all doomed to suffer the consequences.


This seems especially appropriate right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BScc2dFpJg (safe for work)

 

[pgcfii2002]

A little duct tape would solve the problem.......

 

[Lear70]

Some of you guys are full of crap.

I have kids. They sit down. Even as toddlers. They don't sit down, they get a warning. They get a 2nd warning. They get a light pop and a 3rd warning. Then they get their butt taken to the bathroom and spanked. End of discussion.

Takes 2 minutes to do all of the above.

What we have here, I guarand*mntee you, is a set of parents who don't believe in physical discipline.

Spare the rod indeed... You don't have to abuse your child (smack them across the face or beat them literally black and blue) in order to discipline.

Toddlers don't understand logic or psychological threats of taking toys away, etc. They understand spankings, and positive reinforcement for good behavior. Period.

Good for the crew, and I'm GLAD it's being publicized; lets other parents know that sh*t won't be tolerated. Control your children or don't have any.

 

[CA1900]

Control your children or don't have any.

Thank you.


Speaking of spankings.... Too Harsh?

:erm:

 

[jimcav]

If the kid in this case was an infant it would be one thing but 3 too old to play that I cant control her/him game. Some parents just suck at what they do. Too many years of that liberal psychobabble time-out s$$t has led to a steady decline in society. Not all liberals are bad parents but it's the "enlightened" group who tend to push the new style of parenting. I'm a loving and fun father of 3, ages 3-6 and I can honestly say that my kids have never had a f$$kin time out. Ok I'm done ranting, kudos to the crew.

 

[FlyWolf]

I've been stuck in coach in the middle seat of a wide body next to:

2) Between the two fatties that did nothing but eat and talk and wouldn't sit next to each other because they were too huge.


My $.02.....Baja.

That's why you should come fly Midwest more often, the worst will happen you will be sitting next to a fatty, but not in between two fatties.

did I say that outloud, oh ...Lord I apologize........

 

[Toecutter]

Some of you guys are full of crap.

I have kids. They sit down. Even as toddlers. They don't sit down, they get a warning. They get a 2nd warning. They get a light pop and a 3rd warning. Then they get their butt taken to the bathroom and spanked. End of discussion.

Takes 2 minutes to do all of the above.

What we have here, I guarand*mntee you, is a set of parents who don't believe in physical discipline.

Spare the rod indeed... You don't have to abuse your child (smack them across the face or beat them literally black and blue) in order to discipline.

Toddlers don't understand logic or psychological threats of taking toys away, etc. They understand spankings, and positive reinforcement for good behavior. Period.

Good for the crew, and I'm GLAD it's being publicized; lets other parents know that sh*t won't be tolerated. Control your children or don't have any.

I'm glad there's other people that think like me. What ever happened to old fashioned parenting? Too many people these days raise their kids in front of a TV set and spend almost zero quality time with their kids. They then feel guilty about it and try to make up for it by trying to be their friend instead of a parent. When my 2 1/2 year old gets on a plane, he shakes hands with the flight crew and says "yes please" and "thank you" when the FA brings him apple juice. Its not rocket science, but if your children respect you, they will behave.

 

[learflyer]

Thank you.


Speaking of spankings.... Too Harsh?

:erm:

edits

 

[~~~^~~~]

Kudos for AirTran. The kid was out of control, hitting other passengers, in addition to screaming.

No reason why 100 others should be delayed, screamed at, or hit. ... and there is the safety angle. If the kid gets up, parent chases kid, parent falls - Captain gets violated. AirTran has some history in this area. It does not matter how a passenger got hurt, it is our responsibility to keep them safe.

 

[RJidiot]

This past summer in JFK I was in the process of having a mother and her two children removed from one of our flights for the exact same reasons in the Airtran situation. The three year old would not sit in her seat and was screaming at a volumn that was deafening. This went on for 15 minutes while we tried to resolve the situation. I have a child and have never seen anything like it before. The FA said besides the FARs, he could not and would not work in that environment. It was either the kid gets off or none of us go anywhere. While waiting for the supervisor to arrive the child calmed down. We taxied out and got to 10000 feet as fast as possible. Seat belt sign off and the kid went right into the Mom's lap and was quite the rest of the flight. I had no idea this could have led to national press coverage.

 

[Lear70]

I had no idea this could have led to national press coverage.

Only in America.

In every other civilized country on the planet, the kid would have received the discipline she required, and that would have been the end of it.

This country is FAR too indulgent. There HAS to be limits on what people do in the name of "freedom", namely when it infringes on someone else's right to simply exist and not be molested or accosted by someone else's kid.

 

[jws717]

Parents who want to be their 3 year olds friend, wind up with a 15 year old that has ADD. My brother has 4 kids, 6 months 3-5-8 years. They can some how manage to travel? Its called being a parent not a friend.