little venting........

[Deerkiller]

Unlikely.

No one ever made fun of the major airline pilots or major players for the charter or corporate gigs on the field.

Ever.

Stuff like that comes back around and bites you in the butt when you're finally looking to move up and on.

Sounds like you've forgotten how the game works.

Major players....are you being serious?

I keep in contact w/ the school/FBO that i instructed at. I'm current in all the a/c i'm rated in, but if i walked in the door right now they'd make me take a checkout ride. I dont see your problem with this. It is an insurance requirement. If they didnt do it and i went out and bent an airframe the insurance would be asking a lot of questions.

Also, my post was in response to Caveman...not the treatment major/corporate pilots got when they came in to rent. Yes, everyone fell all over themselves to talk to them. They all took a checkout by the way.

 

[Deerkiller]

I doubt it, most CFI's know how to advance in this industry. Any time that I had a major, regional, corporate airline pilot come in to the flight school I was working at, I would do as much talking to, and helping them out as possible. I would tell them what I wanted to do in the industry, give them a resume, and in turn they would usually give me their business card, and tell me to call if there was ever anything they could do for me.
If you want to make fun of this guy then fine. But I gaurntee you the rest of the guys in the school were not laughing.

So you'd send them out in a 172 w/o a checkout?

I think you're missing my point, though. I was responding to Caveman's assertion that the money he spent made him deserving of not taking a checkout. We made fun of ALL of the old guys who came back(to there face i might add), NOT the ones we didnt know. You're right, the ability of a CFI to move on is somewhat dependant of timing and who he/she networked.

But when the guy who left comes back wearing his uniform, "because he just wanted to stop by after work" got roasted. Everyone took it in good fun, but i'd never walk back into the school and say, "i spent 30k here and brought in untold thousands via students, i'm not taking a checkout." That my friend is retarded.

 

[Lear70]

Major players....are you being serious?

Yes, but you misunderstood in what context.

I said they wouldn't laugh and make fun of the guy behind his back. One of them would eventually say something and it would get back to the guy who rented.

The Charter / Corporate world is VERY small. One thing like that can ruin a guy's prospects on a field. Saw it more than once in Nashville, guys had to move away somewhere or pay the $15k or more to become a Jetstream F/O at a regional.

Slow down and read before you post.

I keep in contact w/ the school/FBO that i instructed at. I'm current in all the a/c i'm rated in, but if i walked in the door right now they'd make me take a checkout ride. I dont see your problem with this. It is an insurance requirement. If they didnt do it and i went out and bent an airframe the insurance would be asking a lot of questions.

Guess the flight school I rent from doesn't have the problem with it you do.

Again, I'm not going to go up and do 1.7 with some 300 hour wunderkid in an airplane I just flew 6 months ago.

They can keep the fracking thing and I'll find somewhere else to rent.

I don't see your problem with this; it's common sense.

 

[Deerkiller]

Guess the flight school I rent from doesn't have the problem with it you do.

And that is their option. Once again, i was responding to Caveman's post. BTW, if you need a 1.7 checkout to get current

 

[Lear70]

And that is their option. Once again, i was responding to Caveman's post. BTW, if you need a 1.7 checkout to get current

Again, you're not reading before you post.

I already SAID I didn't mind if an instructor wanted to go up with me for 30 minutes while I do my 3 and 3, but got pissed off when some guy wanted to go do a full checkride type of thing.

You know, slow preflight, slow taxi, fly clear of the Class C, stalls, steep turns, short field landings, soft field landings, slow-flight,,,

That's the 1.7 "checkout" I was talking about and had already mentioned earlier.

Guess it depends on your version of a "checkout".

 

[Deerkiller]

Again, you're not reading before you post.

I already SAID I didn't mind if an instructor wanted to go up with me for 30 minutes while I do my 3 and 3, but got pissed off when some guy wanted to go do a full checkride type of thing.

You know, slow preflight, slow taxi, fly clear of the Class C, stalls, steep turns, short field landings, soft field landings, slow-flight,,,

That's the 1.7 "checkout" I was talking about and had already mentioned earlier.

Guess it depends on your version of a "checkout".

Actually I am, you're getting all up in arms about this. ONCE AGAIN, my original post was in response to Caveman saying just b/c he spent the money he shouldn't have a check out.

I agree if they tried to get me to do a 2 hour checkride, instead of just a few bounces, yeah, i'd say something to the owner.

Dont be so sensitive. You need to read and SEE my post (i.e. note the "eek" and "smiley" faces)

 

[Lear70]

Yeah, ok... my bad.

 

[acaTerry]

This is pathetic, even the mighty 152 has managed to become an issue of war here at flightinfo.:nuts:

 

[airplane wizard]

I know of an FBO that requires a 3hr checkout to anyone for their G1000 172

 

[siucavflight]

I know of an FBO that requires a 3hr checkout to anyone for their G1000 172

Is it by any chance Palwaukee Flyers in Chicago?

 

[hoover]

If I'm not current or haven't flown GA in a while and need a babysitter that should be my call, not theirs.

It's their call, because it is their airplane.

 

[Lear70]

It's their call, because it is their airplane.

Yeah, and when they keep hosing people on charges, they'll stop renting and the place will go out of business.

Like the other flight school on the field here in Nashville.

Times are hard, running off your customers is NOT smart in the GA business right now.

 

[navigator72]

I wanna know which FBO this is in Maine?????

 

[John Pennekamp]

Unlikely.

No one ever made fun of the major airline pilots or major players for the charter or corporate gigs on the field.

Ever.

Stuff like that comes back around and bites you in the butt when you're finally looking to move up and on.

Sounds like you've forgotten how the game works.

Sounds like YOU have forgotten how the game works. Don't like their rental rules? Buy your own airplane. Don't want to or can't? Follow thier rules. Either way, learn you can't piss off people who have power over you, or you'll never get anywhere smoothly. That lowly CFI has the power to deny you a rental. If your attitude sucks, he'll make it harder for you.

The arrogant airline/corporate jet guys were always the biggest "mark" out there. The one who came in and said "I need to re-learn small airplanes" got the 1.5 and the white glove treatment. Mr God of aviation got 10 hours and made fun of when he left for his crappy landings and ham hand on the controls. All the FBOs and CFIs in the area were the same way, and when Mr God of Aviation told me off and went elsewhere, I usually heard about it, and he got the same treatment at the new place. We all knew who they were, and we all compared notes.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yes, but you misunderstood in what context.

I said they wouldn't laugh and make fun of the guy behind his back. One of them would eventually say something and it would get back to the guy who rented.

The Charter / Corporate world is VERY small. One thing like that can ruin a guy's prospects on a field. Saw it more than once in Nashville, guys had to move away somewhere or pay the $15k or more to become a Jetstream F/O at a regional.

Wow, what big fish in a small pond. What is it about Lear Jet guys thinking they have a ten foot Johnson?

So lemme get this straight... you're gonna "ruin a guys career" because he ran his mouth about what a jerk you were to him when you came out to rent a 152 and he followed the rules his boss gave him?

I used to run an FBO. You were the guy I told I didn't need your business. The liability isn't worth the 0.5 every 90 days. Good day sir!

 

[Lear70]

Jeez dude, you're about 2 weeks behind the times with this post. But thanks for resurrecting the flame.

Doesn't have anything to do with flying a Lear - that's just the s/n I've had since back when I DID fly Lears (last full-time Lear gig was sometime in '98). So pop a Prosac and LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS!

I'm glad you ran an FBO. Good for you. I was the Chief Pilot over at the charter group that made sure none of the little pr*cks from the flight school made it across the hall. We were laid back and fun while still being professional and only brought people over who were the same. If you were cool at the school, you could come fly with us. It was that simple, and don't even TRY to tell me it was any different where you came from.

Didn't need any "1.5 hour white glove" anal wunderkids in our midst.

Still don't. Life's too short to fly with people like that.

p.s. You missed the part where the OWNER of the flight school told the goofball instructor to STFU. Not everyone thinks as anal as you do.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Jeez dude, you're about 2 weeks behind the times with this post. But thanks for resurrecting the flame.

Doesn't have anything to do with flying a Lear - that's just the s/n I've had since back when I DID fly Lears (last full-time Lear gig was sometime in '98). So pop a Prosac and LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS!

I'm glad you ran an FBO. Good for you. I was the Chief Pilot over at the charter group that made sure none of the little pr*cks from the flight school made it across the hall. We were laid back and fun while still being professional and only brought people over who were the same. If you were cool at the school, you could come fly with us. It was that simple, and don't even TRY to tell me it was any different where you came from.

Didn't need any "1.5 hour white glove" anal wunderkids in our midst.

Still don't. Life's too short to fly with people like that.

p.s. You missed the part where the OWNER of the flight school told the goofball instructor to STFU. Not everyone thinks as anal as you do.

Wow. The only response I can give is thanks for making my point for me.

 

[Lear70]

You, too.

Guys like you are the reason that more than one major airline has an interview list that the other pilots get to see to make sure they don't have to fly with some jerk they got stuck with for a month (or even a 3-day trip with) and was miserable.

But hey, you don't believe in those kinds of lists, do you?

Too bad. Guess you don't need to work at Southwest or AirTran.

 

[landlover]

this thread makes me want to punch babies!

 

[John Pennekamp]

You, too.

Guys like you are the reason that more than one major airline has an interview list that the other pilots get to see to make sure they don't have to fly with some jerk they got stuck with for a month (or even a 3-day trip with) and was miserable.

But hey, you don't believe in those kinds of lists, do you?

Too bad. Guess you don't need to work at Southwest or AirTran.

What you just said makes no sense, but that's ok. I don't expect you'll be interviewing anytime soon. If you qualified for a real airline job, then you wouldn't be where you are now, would you? Looser.

 

[Lear70]

What you just said makes no sense, but that's ok. I don't expect you'll be interviewing anytime soon. If you qualified for a real airline job, then you wouldn't be where you are now, would you? Looser.

Yeah, OK...

Then just forward me your contact information so I can forward it to AirTran HR, since you wouldn't want to ever leave ASA for here, now would you?

No, of course not. ASA pilots NEVER apply to AirTran...

What a putz.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yeah, OK...

Then just forward me your contact information so I can forward it to AirTran HR, since you wouldn't want to ever leave ASA for here, now would you?

No, of course not. ASA pilots NEVER apply to AirTran...

What a putz.

If I wanted to go to Valuj... uh I mean AirTran, I'd already be there. At my age, why would I leave one crappy airline for even crappier airline that flies bigger jets? If you think you have a great job, then YOU'RE the putz. At least I can admit it.

So just go on back to pushing around CFIs at your local FBO for doing what their boss told them to. Then go home and kick the dog and punch your wife. Maybe that'll make you feel like more of a man. So long, SPORT!

 

[Lear70]

Suuuurrrre you don't have an app in here.

Why don't you PM me your name? I'll be glad to go over to pilot recruitment next week and see if it pops up on the screen. If it doesn't, I'll be glad to buy first round, but I'm betting it would.

Incidentally, this place is MILES above any regional in terms of quality of life. All one has to do is go over to one of your ASA threads (like the one going on now about getting called during IROPS) and see how much you guys get screwed with.

I'm sitting on 18 days off average at guarantee, all commutable trips, a 10.5% B Fund that requires NO input by me, and starting pay about triple what your F/O's start at, CA's making well more than double.

Yup. Terrible airline. Absolutely abysmal. You DON'T want to come here... LOL.

p.s. When you resort to the kind of lame insults like in your last line above, it only shows you have no basis from which to debate.

I already SAID the boss did NOT agree with him. Guess you missed that part. 3 times. Might want to work on those reading comprehension skills...

 

[n32jk]

Don't laugh, I can't talk anything aviation with my wife either.

She doesn't get it, doesn't want to, and that's just life.

She also doesn't complain that I'm gone 12-15 days a month either, so I kind of figure I can't get too mad she doesn't "get" my career. I'm just happy to have someone who doesn't freak when I'm gone and takes good care of the kids and house.

p.s. A while back I went to the same flight school I had been CHIEF PILOT for back in '95; they wanted to give me a "check out" flight. Had to call the owner at home to get them to p*ss off.

Anything for that extra .5 for the instructor I guess. Some people.

Years ago on another planet. The company I was flying an aztec for had the plane down for a double engine change. We leased an arrow for two weeks from the FBO that the aztec had been purchased from. The company (and I) had flown an arrow purchased from the same fbo a few years earlier. All in all I had about 500 hours in an arrow. For insurance purposes they said I needed a quick ride with an instructor. I went up with a 250 numbskull instructor for over an hour watching him flail through the sky. Later after landing he said I would need another 5-10 hours before he would sign me off. I made a quick call to the chief instructor and my paperwork was done. Later young squire got lost with a student on an LOC back course approach in anniston alabama and found God on the side of a small mountain/large hill.
Process of natural selection I guess........