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[inplaneview]

"...Initially 4 A/C and 15 crews": Where does Joe find 4 A/C and 15 crews? We're already short of what we need on the 76.

 

[xspud]

My understanding of this deal is that ANA is supplying the aircraft. ANA is converting some of their 767-300's to freighters. These are aircraft about which ABX had an "understanding" with ANA at one time: if ANA had decided to sell the aircraft we had first dibs on them. ANA also has aircraft on order for this venture.

Just to recap: ANA has decided to start it's own cargo service (previously they had an arrangement with NCA for cargo). In addition, Japan Post is getting into express delivery and ANA is providing air service for them. I think they already have an airplane or two flying, but 2007 is the year they're really ramping it up. I think the main hub will be Narita. If you look at Hawaii Air Crew Services website they are advertising for crews for this operation.

 

[goastar]

If DHL continues to run the sh*thole how they have been running it BIG H should have no problem finding 4 a/c and 15 crews. Even if he didn't have them right now, why would he leave any 76s with DHL and their lousy mark up? I'm sure ana pays more than 1.75%.

To bad dipsh*tberg can't figure things out! Maybe Mr. H can give him some tutoring?

Good luck boys, I'm off to the resume machine.imp:

"...Initially 4 A/C and 15 crews": Where does Joe find 4 A/C and 15 crews? We're already short of what we need on the 76.

 

[erichartmann]

Not sure if it is a done deal, but they have group of exec's here at ILN today meeting with the brass....

I hope we do get it, even though I'm not sure I want to fly it. The rumors I hear about scheduling don't really appeal. I'm not much interested in being away from home for 30 days at a crack, even if I get the next 30 off. Also, folks I know who've been to Japan (not all aviation related) tell me it's very expensive to "live" there if you try to live like an American. This would not matter with respect to hotels (I hope), but American style meals might well exceed the perdiem.

 

[erichartmann]

"...Initially 4 A/C and 15 crews": Where does Joe find 4 A/C and 15 crews? We're already short of what we need on the 76.

The ex Delta A/C. Not all have been delivered. I think we have 4 more coming in fairly short order. Crews are another matter. Can you say junior man?

 

[xspud]

Just heard that RIV flying is continuing routed to LAX this week and next, at least. No reopening date for RIV determined at this point is the word.

In January, I think this is a net of 2 less DC9's. YVR covered PDX, BOI covered SFO and they didn't need RIV-LAX-RIV. They still needed the PDX airplane for ANC. I don't know if they've been running MHR-LAX (767) or not.

 

[penguin22]

I've also heard, just in last few days, that this ANA thing is a done deal. The way I heard it its with airplanes not currently in our pipeline, 767-300s. How we're gonna gear up that many 767 crews fast is beyond me. Heard we're looking at using a 2nd sim, probably Denver again.

 

[ABXbooger]

as per our ops specs, we are already permitted to use United as a 767 training facility...wonder why thats in there?

 

[penguin22]

as per our ops specs, we are already permitted to use United as a 767 training facility...wonder why thats in there?

We used it a few years back while our sim was down.

 

[classof75]

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[LarryinTN]

This would not matter with respect to hotels (I hope), but American style meals might well exceed the perdiem.

Luckily the pac-rim per diem is about $84/day so that would help.

The info that I've heard is that we provide the airplanes and it would start with two. Roughly 15 crews, a few more F/Os and a few less Capt's due to IRO trips.

 

[penguin22]

In fact Dasburg still wants concessions with nothing in return. ..

....feel free to steal my signature below...

NO CONCESSIONARY CONTRACTS!!

 

[penguin22]

The info that I've heard is that we provide the airplanes and it would start with two.

It’ll be interesting to see whose airplanes get used, assuming it happens.

On the one hand, using their airplanes would get more 767 pilots on our roster faster. Not have to wait till we get more of our own airplanes thru mod. OTOH, whenever the contract goes away, we’ll have too many 767 pilots than we’ll need for our own fleet. Furloughs may become more routine.

One the one hand, using their airplanes leaves more of our own 767s available to commit to DHL. OTOH, I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Good to have a bigger presence in the DHL network, but I also like growing the charter side… less dependence on DHL. Still don’t trust em, I guess.

It would be nice to have some of our own airplanes committed to ANA. Could be the beginning of a growing long term operation. ANA is great company; we’ve had an excellent corporate relationship with them since we bought our first 767s from them ten years ago. They take much better care of their airplanes than some of the US carriers we’ve bought 767s from.

On a related note, it’s going to be real interesting where these five 767s that are yet to be delivered this year end up; in the DHL network or not, and what color they come out of the paint shop.

Just some thoughts to toss around.

 

[flyinboxes]

It’ll be interesting to see whose airplanes get used, assuming it happens.

On the one hand, using their airplanes would get more 767 pilots on our roster faster. Not have to wait till we get more of our own airplanes thru mod. OTOH, whenever the contract goes away, we’ll have too many 767 pilots than we’ll need for our own fleet. Furloughs may become more routine.

One the one hand, using their airplanes leaves more of our own 767s available to commit to DHL. OTOH, I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Good to have a bigger presence in the DHL network, but I also like growing the charter side… less dependence on DHL. Still don’t trust em, I guess.

It would be nice to have some of our own airplanes committed to ANA. Could be the beginning of a growing long term operation. ANA is great company; we’ve had an excellent corporate relationship with them since we bought our first 767s from them ten years ago. They take much better care of their airplanes than some of the US carriers we’ve bought 767s from.

On a related note, it’s going to be real interesting where these five 767s that are yet to be delivered this year end up; in the DHL network or not, and what color they come out of the paint shop.

Just some thoughts to toss around.

I can't believe you still don't trust them.

 

[xspud]

If anything noteworthy is discussed at the 1Q membership meeting tonight, an update would be appreciated!