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Jack Mehoff

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OK so what about this situation. What if a Junior Reserve pilot is somehow getting flying through scheduling out of seniority? Such as instead of sitting Ready Reserve he takes a trip from the senior reserve pilot on the shift so the senior pilot ends up Sitting ready in his place.

Would you call this a Scab, a Whore or just general ****************************** Bag?

These are the kind of losers that don't believe in paying dues and would gladly sign up for Blow Jets, Freedum A, or alter ego adventures as long as they get to be first in line when they are 6 monts on the job.
 
Did he cross a strike picket line?

If the answer is NO, then that rules out the term SCAB. People overuse that term so much that the original meaning is diluted almost to the point where it doesn't mean much.

If he is somehow violating a contract then he is a self-serving individual. If, on the other hand, there are no trip protections for the senior reserve pilot then I think the "effort" should be directed elsewhere -- i.e. improving provisions of the work rules.
 
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How is he getting "it" is the question. i'd be more pissed at scheduling

Banging a scheduler? are they an ex-scheduler? Whats the contract say? If you don't have a contract you don't have a beef either way.
 
I whole heartedly agree with the Captian on this one...and I will add:.it seems like you and others should focus on their own lives and stop worrying about what the other guy is doing.....relax ...I know Im going to get bashed for saying this.....but it seems most younger regional guys get all crybaby if there is a perception of the 'other guy' getting one over on them....just an honest observation.

My proof: Watch as this thread explodes with name calling on this section in relation to how it would fade away on the major forum.
 
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There are definetely some D***bags at the regional that I am at that constantly pester the schedulers for flying. These are the guys that made Freedumb A happen. "I need to get my time" is understandable but not by being a company Ho
 
Yeah, pick that open time up and get out on the road so you wife and daughter will be home alone for me sucka haha
 
It's not being a scab, its called being proactive instead of being lazy and waiting for the phone call. Its not my job to make sure senority is followed. If I ask for a trip and get it I ask no questions. Besides if you are not marked call first then they generally call the most junior pilot first and work their way up the list unless otherwise specified. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
Lookin4better is absolutly right. Half of the things pilots complain about are either not their concern or a simple misunderstanding that they do not bother to clarify for themselves.
 
So the options are

1. He could stay sitting on the couch bored out of his skull and get the ********************iest flying left,

or

2. Work the system by hounding scheduling to keep him flying, thus reducing the likelihood of more senior guys getting called.


I think I too would take #2. Out of curiosity, do you call and try to get flying or are you content to wait for the phone to ring. I haven't sat reserve in a while, but I would be the first person trying to turn a quick turn into as many days as humanly possible to reduce my reserve liability. Sounds like you are just mad that this guy works the system better than you.
 
I don't fly for an airline, but I can relate. My last job was serving tables (*shudder*) in the LA area, which out there is actually a pretty high paying job. There were actual "senior" shifts that people would hold week after week that paid the most. Of course when I was new, I got scheduled for very slow days and made very crappy money.

So, I got off my ass and started picking up a lot of those senior shifts when I could. Did people take offense to that? Maybe, but it's not their business. I wasn't doing anything against the rules or anything unethical, and I was making good money. I wouldn't call that being a d*uchebag, scab, or anything else. I'd call it being proactive and working smarter, not harder.
 
Isnt reserve generally given out from the bottom up so if you are senior on reserve you dont have to work as much? Unless your contract has provisions for how stuff is assigned, who cares. We have stuff at XJT that makes sure more senior people are called first, if they want to be. If you want to fly more, call scheduling and ask for trips. Open time will get assigned to a reserve pilot anyway so why not call and ask to get it assigned to you as a reserve assignment anyway.
 
Anyone who is working at a company and tries to fly as muc has he can is just working hard and trying to make a little extra. There is nothing wrong with that. Now the word SCAB has been misused as the definition is that of someone who willingly takes a job that is currently vacant because of a union labor strike. If you cross a picket line either as a union worker who doesnt support the strike or a off the street worker who took an easy open job. That of course reduces the strength of said strike and renders the union itself weaker. Union of course means to be together. It was what got the USA out of third world working conditions in the early part of the century. Big business and government wont give an inch unless it is ripped out of their greedy teeth. The government started cracking down on union corruption I am sure big money business also lobbied bought and paid for politicians to help weaken unions. Union places have always been a high cost overhead for any company and management never wanted them. Higher wages and better benefits and work rules means less profit for the high end management to put in their pocket. Why would they want to actually reward those who do the majority of the work. Over the last 20 years unions have had much of their power stripped away. There was a time when if one union voted for a strike then supporting unions that were affiliated would strike as well. That would bring management to the table very quickly. The workers had a lot of power and some labor fields life was very good in pay, benefits, and work rules. Airline, trucking, the construction trades, etc. Now with the airlines financially crippled and so much of american industry shipped overseas the unions are a mere shadow of themselves which is evident in how companies and work around them. So perhaps SCAB is a term that can have a diversified meaning.
The pilots at GoatJets for example didnt cross a picket line but since they willingly and knowingly took jobs that existed from a company working around a union labor group then that very closely resembles crossing a picket line. The fact is people choose the airline industry to work in.... it doesnt choose them. If you entered the industry after 9/11 then the industry didnt sandbag you like it did for those who were already working. The greatest threat to any unified people is selfish acts. Whether people think they are entitled or just dont care about others doesnt matter. You might get some now for yourself but the long term damage that kind of mentality and practice does will come back around. The world is not a vacuum. Enron, Worldcom, TYCO, etc. Those individuals didnt care about the big picture and look how many people were hurt. Start multiplying those actions by 10, 100, a million. How much can the system take? The USA has peaked as a place to live and now it is on a downslide and the only thing that can reverse it is the people that live within the borders to take control, responsiblity, and accountability for their actions and take the right path especially when it is the hardest. This country lives so far beyond its means in all respects. Government, corporate, and individual debt and overspending is epidemic. Living on false wealth and credit. So it might be a small thing to accept what looks like harmless acts such as taking a job at certain companies to start flying a jet because it looks so cool on Microsoft FS even though you have just enough hours to be dangerous to yourself and everyone around you but the majors wont hire everyone. Why should they? There are those out there who will gladly do the flying for less.
 
When will you guys stop this shat?

You are a scab, I am a scab. Who cares. If there was massive movement in the industry you wouldn't have time to think twice. Now all you have is time to sit around and think about how you imagine people could be screwing you.

Get a freakin life.

Everybody wants to bitch and point fingers at others. However, no one wants to look at their career. Do you think that you possibly could have caused undue career stress to another pilot? Yes, you did. Everyone did.
 
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