RAH gets Frontier flying

[ACL65PILOT]

First I would be amazed that Frontier would let a contract carrier announce anything until they did. The whole SEC thing can get real nasty if someone did. Are you guys sure this is not UAL flying? If not, do you guys have a non compete clause in your UAL contract?
I also thought that the Frontier flying was CRJ's not ERJ's? In addition to that the announcement was slated for early Feb.

 

[TOGA]

The RFP was for ~70 seaters, and our COO stated that the E170 was preferred. As for the rest of your post, I agree.

 

[flyer172r]

First I would be amazed that Frontier would let a contract carrier announce anything until they did. The whole SEC thing can get real nasty if someone did. Are you guys sure this is not UAL flying? If not, do you guys have a non compete clause in your UAL contract?
I also thought that the Frontier flying was CRJ's not ERJ's? In addition to that the announcement was slated for early Feb.

I wouldn't be surprised if UAL and Shuttle do have a non-compete clause, which is why this flying will be done on the Republic certificate. Somewhat seperate operations, just all one seniority list.

 

[ReverseSensing]

If you work for a commuter, you're going to have to accept the nomadic lifestyle which comes with it.... because that's what you are:
Nomadic gypsies serving companies who undercut eachother to pick up the leftover flying of big money makers.

You must be directing this comment generally. F9 was QX's only contract flying. So, we won't be "nomadic gypsies" anymore, not after 12/07. Good riddance to contract flying.

Pretending you have some semblance to a big airline is living in denial and you'll always get dissappointed when reality slaps you up the side of your head.

Well if you work for F9, the same could fairly be said about you.

 

[jetalc]

A Frontier A319 ran into a brand new 170 in IND in a "hit and run" scenario....Serious at the time, but with time, it has become quite funny in retrospect.....

Ahhhh...got it. Didn't hear about that one - now it makes sense!

 

[scarlet]

F9 makes you wonder why Delta is not to happy with the E-170s..Wait to you pay the fuel bill for several months vs what you were paying on the CRJ-700. Makes you wonder why Delta is not wanting to hang on to those E-170s? Delta is not happy with Republic or Mesa.....You get what you pay for !!

 

[DoinTime]

On the memo it states not to announce anything. It is still needed to be approved by the Board and the shareholders.

So it was one of those super squirrel secrets? I got you now. Until you see an 8-K filing on this it is not public information and as hard as it may be to believe the employees of the company are encompassed in the definition of "the public."

The amount of proof required by those who want to believe is staggeringly low. Look at all the people chasing UFO's out there. Pull your heads out of your a**es guys.

 

[B727FA]

I am curious couldn't a Denver bid actually be used just to expand your united flying out of DEN, or is all UAL flying SA and this base is just for RAH?

This is an RW bid only. It will be like our base in CMH where we have a CHQ base and an S5 base. Different bid packets, etc. The UA flying in DEN is flown by S5 IND/CMH/ORD crews. The RW base will be "just" for F9.

 

[ERJDRVR]

F9 makes you wonder why Delta is not to happy with the E-170s..Wait to you pay the fuel bill for several months vs what you were paying on the CRJ-700. Makes you wonder why Delta is not wanting to hang on to those E-170s? Delta is not happy with Republic or Mesa.....You get what you pay for !!

That shows how much you know genius. Republic does not fly for Delta. That would be Chautauqua and Shuttle America.
I guess we will see how much they dislike them when the RFP comes out.
Would that be enough for you?

Also for the record, look at the all the numbers. The contract carriers (well not Mesa) numbers speak for themselves.

 

[B727FA]

Toga,

One thing that you'll see is good ontime and completion performance from the RAH crews, especially if this goes senior (as many think it will). The FAs - you get what you pay for!
The aircraft - you and the pax will really like it. The crews will always try to get you or anyone else needing a ride, to work.

Yikes. You're not saying that FA's don't contribute to that "good ontime and completion performance" are you? And, if the FA's are senior (as would be a resonable guess on the FA side, too) you'll get the same 110% performance from them that the perform "out East."

Just becuase the FA's are paid 16K/year and treated like second-graders (as I saw posted elsewhere) doesn't mean that they ALL suck and aren't part of the overall RAH product that is growing.

Pilots aren't the only ones who "make it happen."

The Pilots-you get what you pay for! (Sounds sort of tacky, doesn't it?)

 

[B727FA]

Look at all the people chasing UFO's out there. Pull your heads out of your a**es guys.

Like the UAL folks in ORD? :nuts:

 

[The Drizzle]

Yikes. You're not saying that FA's don't contribute to that "good ontime and completion performance" are you? And, if the FA's are senior (as would be a resonable guess on the FA side, too) you'll get the same 110% performance from them that the perform "out East."

Just becuase the FA's are paid 16K/year and treated like second-graders (as I saw posted elsewhere) doesn't mean that they ALL suck and aren't part of the overall RAH product that is growing.

Pilots aren't the only ones who "make it happen."

The Pilots-you get what you pay for! (Sounds sort of tacky, doesn't it?)

Incorrect, with a few exceptions, RAH FAs are terrible.

 

[Wheres the van?]

Having been commuting for a while now,I have to say there is not a whole lot of difference between our (RAH) galley hags and there galley hags,merely an observation on my behalf of coarse!

 

[ERJFO]

You had good -- now you get cheap

This is the motto of every bid RAH wins.

Shuttle America does a decent bit of mountain flying mostly on the Delta side of the house; when they headed out west the company gave them a photo-copied packet on mountain flying and said "don't break anything".

First of all - Compared to QX, or XJT the mountain flying done at Shuttle America is a joke.

Second of all - I would really want to put my family on one of your airplanes, since you have those photocopies and all.

 

[TAWS]

ERJFO,

RAH has pilots with plenty of experience west of the Mississipi! Newsflash: Whilst Horizon has an extremely experienced and capable group of mountain flyers, so has SkyWest, so has ASA, XJT not so much. We know our limitations and I have yet to fly with a capt that pushes the envelope. Our new capts (145fo to 170ca) are a cautious bunch and not likely to say "watch this". Mountain flying is a learned art and we are gaining that knowledge daily.

You should spend your time reading up on 135 regs(for your new adventure), instead of playing "sore loser" on FI.

 

[flyer172r]

This is the motto of every bid RAH wins.

Well, except for the Continental bid where they were more expensive than some other bidders, and yet still won.

 

[DoinTime]

Mountain flying is a learned art and we are gaining that knowledge daily.

Mountain flying is not a "learned art." Mountain flying is operational and intellectual discipline.

 

[regionaltard]

Pretending you have some semblance to a big airline is living in denial and you'll always get dissappointed when reality slaps you up the side of your head.

That's pretty irognic coming from a Frontier pilot.

 

[dnkt]

XJT not so much? You ever fly your 170 around Mexico at night in IMC in thunderstorms dealing with Mexican controllers? We do plenty of mountain flying down south. Nothing like being cleared for the VOR DME arch approach 50 miles out into Toluca with 9000ft mountains on all sides.

 

[Superpilot92]

ERJFO,

RAH has pilots with plenty of experience west of the Mississipi! Newsflash: Whilst Horizon has an extremely experienced and capable group of mountain flyers, so has SkyWest, so has ASA, XJT not so much. We know our limitations and I have yet to fly with a capt that pushes the envelope. Our new capts (145fo to 170ca) are a cautious bunch and not likely to say "watch this". Mountain flying is a learned art and we are gaining that knowledge daily.

You should spend your time reading up on 135 regs(for your new adventure), instead of playing "sore loser" on FI.

XJT does ALOT of Mountain Flying!! MEXICO is almost all mountain flying and it is very unforgiving flying. Flying in the mountains in the USA has nothing on Mexico.