BBJ FO bid

LAZYB · Dec 8, 2006

Diesel said:
The type is no good its a 737IGWNG or something like that. Basically it only applies to BBJ's

Since when?

Show your "work". Me thinks your "calculations" are skewed.

On Your Six · Dec 8, 2006

Did someone say that the seat lock would only be for 2 years? If that's the case, maybe he has money and he just wants to fly the BBJ for 2 years and then return to the G200 or bigger. Again, he can fly Falcons and even Gulfstreams for the rest of his NJA career... Sounds like he was looking at the bigger picture and he wanted some BBJ time.

Or, maybe he just couldn't stand TEB and he needed a 2 year break...

Diesel · Dec 8, 2006

He's going to make more this year than any of his other years if he wants to.

Pretty smart idea. But it depends on what you want to do.

ghostrider64 · Dec 10, 2006

Hey Diesel I'm not up on the special ops stuff but are there that many out there? I dont think so. And as a new guy I'm pretty sure he'll sit and rot whether or not he wants to special assignments.

If it were that important to me I would go buy the type with the difference in pay he's really going to have during the first year.

I would love to see his next W2 but judging by his lack of participation in the Union I doubt he will disclose it to us.

old*art · Dec 11, 2006

He turned it down .. claims he never bid it - was a total surprise to him.

kman · Dec 11, 2006

So who got it then?

ghostrider64 · Dec 11, 2006

Ah the light goes off after he realizes he can't make any $ on the deal....My definition of idiot is a guy that doesnt clearly understand the ramifications of a bid selection that he chooses........They even send you an instant message of the bids selected.

Diesel · Dec 11, 2006

I would have done it.

Of course I'm a saidest (or however you spell it)

ghostrider64 · Dec 11, 2006

Diesel,
You my friend are among a very small group that can afford to give up capt pay for a while. If I was you I would have bid the NJI FO slot long ago.......

Diesel · Dec 11, 2006

Two words

Seat Lock

brokeflyer · Dec 12, 2006

Diesel said:
The type is no good its a 737IGWNG or something like that. Basically it only applies to BBJ's

nope.....B-737 is what the type reads

iluvetops · Dec 12, 2006

Does anyone know the E mail address for Mark A? We worked at the same company before he joined NJ.

Please send me a pm if anyone has his contact detail. Thanks

Diesel · Dec 12, 2006

John Doe
[email protected]

I thought it was a different type. My bad.

On Your Six · Dec 12, 2006

Again, if you look at the big picture, why not get some BBJ time? If you are a "younger" pilot with 20+ years remaining (through age 65) at NJA, why not get two years of BBJ flying with the seat lock? Clearly from an economic standpoint for some people it might not make sense. But, if you have other family income (spouse works) and you want to get some interesting experience, why not do it for two years?

I am betting that was the rationale for the eventual bidder who secures that slot. After two years you can return to the left seat of the Sovereign or Galaxy with some BBJ time under your belt and some interesting stories (maybe about long waiting times at foreign FBOs). Or, you could apply to SWA if you so desire...

RNObased · Dec 12, 2006

old*art said:
He turned it down .. claims he never bid it - was a total surprise to him.

Knowing him, he thought he bid the capts slot on the BBJ when he actually bid the FO slot. Doesn't suprise me a bit.

RNObased · Dec 12, 2006

Diesel said:
I would have done it.

Of course I'm a saidest (or however you spell it)

I have a list of other things you are also. Give me a shout and I will run through them with you.

NJA bound · Dec 22, 2006

This is starting to get funny, wonder when they're going to get a taker?

CA1900 · Dec 22, 2006

It just came in on my Blackberry.

Spooky 2 · Dec 22, 2006

iluvetops said:
Does anyone know the E mail address for Mark A? We worked at the same company before he joined NJ.

Please send me a pm if anyone has his contact detail. Thanks

Just call him back at NJ headquarters in OH. If he isn't there, I'm sure they will tell you how to get in touch.

Cargoav8or · Dec 22, 2006

Hey folks. When you upgrade at NJA, is pay based on yrs of service, or years in program, a/c type? In other words if you were an f/o for 5 yrs, would you go back down to 1st yr capt pay?

Diesel · Dec 22, 2006

only in the bbj and GIV/GV aircraft

NJA bound · Dec 22, 2006

Cargoav8or said:
Hey folks. When you upgrade at NJA, is pay based on yrs of service, or years in program, a/c type? In other words if you were an f/o for 5 yrs, would you go back down to 1st yr capt pay?

http://www.ibt1108.org/public_new-contract.html

Section 27, page 175

Years in service for all aircraft except the DA-2Easy, Savanah Gulfstreams, and the BBJ.

johnsonrod · Dec 23, 2006

If anyone really, really feels a need to fly a BBJ or similar, I know that AirTran is hiring into the 700.

skiandsurf · Dec 23, 2006

johnsonrod said:
If anyone really, really feels a need to fly a BBJ or similar, I know that AirTran is hiring into the 700.

Apparently, nobody wants to fly it.

notaNJApilot · Dec 23, 2006

It's kind of silly actually. The pay for this position has been in the contract for the past year. If you don't want a position, don't bid for it!

doylehargraves · Dec 23, 2006

I'll take it as a new hire!

NJA bound · Dec 23, 2006

johnsonrod said:
If anyone really, really feels a need to fly a BBJ or similar, I know that AirTran is hiring into the 700.

I don't think that any sane pilot would leave NJA for Airtran, but FYI Airtran only hires regional airline pilots or military pilots, they don't consider part 135 or 91 flying, so that eliminates a lot of good pilots.

notaNJApilot · Dec 23, 2006

How about leaving NJA for skybus? CMH based start up airline...flying A319s.
http://skybus.com/careers_jobDescription.aspx?CareerID=32

NJA bound · Dec 23, 2006

doylehargraves said:
I'll take it as a new hire!

Never happen, lot of us hired within the last couple of years (guessing at least 100 pilots) have bids in for that BBJ fo slot and WILL accept the award.
The problem right now is all of the pilots that never read the new contract pay scale bid the position and are turning it down, right now they're still at pilots with 6+ years with the company, in a couple of years they'll get to the 2 year pilots that will accept the award.

NJA bound · Dec 23, 2006

notaNJApilot said:
How about leaving NJA for skybus? CMH based start up airline...flying A319s.
http://skybus.com/careers_jobDescription.aspx?CareerID=32

That's funny, does SWA require the wireless laptop, sounds like they might need STRONG UNION

Qualification Requirements:
You must indicate that you meet the requirements listed below by checking the corresponding items.
1. 5000 Total time
2. 1500 Turbine PIC
3. ATP
4. FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
5. 20/20 corrected vision
6. Required to show up on first day of work with a laptop computer with wireless internet connectivity and capable of reading a memory stick and CD-ROM

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