SWA buys Alaska!

[ivauir]

No, it's the opposite - Alaska will buy SWA.

With what?

I think Alaska is a great company with a great history. No offense. SWA can buy who and what they want. My Guess = we buy more jes from whoesver is seling.

 

[temcgrew]

Alaska is one of the best airlines to work for BUT, that picture on the tail has got to go!!!!!!

I don't think he's going anywere, he looks really happy to be there with that grin on his face. He must be Alaskan.

 

[hyflyt560]

I don't think he's going anywere, he looks really happy to be there with that grin on his face. He must be Alaskan.

Back in the day, an old timer at Horizon told us it was a picture of William Seward who was Secretary of State at the time and instrumental in the purchase of Alaska from Russia. He was a New Yorker.

 

[Contract]

luckytohaveajob just graduated from his international operations class. Get real, and stop throwing the international acronoyms out ther studly...it makes me laugh to hard.....I gotta go....ICAO BS, Charting the Pond, and wondering all along if Im truly an airline pilot or just working my way there. This is Goofy.

 

[GuppyWN]

I wasn't trying to be a smartarse. Guess I'll ask it another way.

Do your newhires still qualify for the A plan?

Gup

 

[AvroGuy]

I can't wait to see a CRJs and -8s in SWA colors. Seriously though, I don't think Alaska Air Group would let Alaska Airline go without Horizon. I could also see SWA buying and then selling off what it doesn't want.

 

[G4G5]

SWA will buy NO ONE! Let's face facts, todays mergers are done by trading stock. What has LUV stock done? Nothing. It's undervalued, making it even less of a takeover candidate.

CAL is trading for $44 and Luv is trading for $15, SWA mgt would get shot for merging with anyone when the stock is so undervalued. Not to mention the fact that SWA doesn't merge to gain market share, they go in and take it.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

OK here's a conspiracy theory backing up the claim of SWA buying the Delta Shuttle IF the DAL/US goes through.....

Delta has approximately 10 MD-88s configured for the Shuttle; of course SWA wants no part of -88s.

Delta currently has 737-800s which SWA really doesn't want. But, Delta just converted some of their 2008 737-800s to 737-700s which SWA does want.

Soooooo, Delta will either sell SWA the jets out right or sell the Shuttle to SWA with the stipulation that the 10 737-700s go with the Shuttle and not the MD-88s.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Capt Bud330 thats priceless!!!!....and spot on too!!

 

[ironspud]

This whole thread is a bunch of crap.

 

[Whine Lover]

This whole THREAD?


YKW

 

[AK737FO]

yes

I wasn't trying to be a smartarse. Guess I'll ask it another way.

Do your newhires still qualify for the A plan?

Gup

Yes they do. Our A plan is well funded. This will be a big talking point in upcoming negotiations. The company wants to modify the A plan. I don't think the pilot's are interested in returning a "B scale" to the property, which is what we will have if new hires are exempt from the A plan.
Interesting point is that the first item up on Jan 8th is training. They want us to train 24/7. Makes a guy ask why? Our upcoming retirement numbers are big, but not that big. What are they planning to do that would necessitate back side of the clock training?

 

[ferlo]

Yes they do. Our A plan is well funded. This will be a big talking point in upcoming negotiations. The company wants to modify the A plan. I don't think the pilot's are interested in returning a "B scale" to the property, which is what we will have if new hires are exempt from the A plan.
Interesting point is that the first item up on Jan 8th is training. They want us to train 24/7. Makes a guy ask why? Our upcoming retirement numbers are big, but not that big. What are they planning to do that would necessitate back side of the clock training?

They'll have us on Vampire shift while they sell the primo mid-day time slots to the highest bidder. I need a 53% pay-raise before I'll consider any need of the company...even a small one like training times.

 

[BORAT]

Back in the day, an old timer at Horizon told us it was a picture of William Seward who was Secretary of State at the time and instrumental in the purchase of Alaska from Russia. He was a New Yorker.

The face on the tail belongs to Chester Sivic (spelling?). He was a greeter for years when the planes would arrive in Nome.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

SWA will buy NO ONE! Let's face facts, todays mergers are done by trading stock. What has LUV stock done? Nothing. It's undervalued, making it even less of a takeover candidate.

CAL is trading for $44 and Luv is trading for $15, SWA mgt would get shot for merging with anyone when the stock is so undervalued. Not to mention the fact that SWA doesn't merge to gain market share, they go in and take it.

What makes you think LUV is undervalued? According to Yahoo! Finance, Southwest is trading at 22 time earnings. CaL is trading at just 13 times earnings. Just because one share of SWA is only $15 doesn't mean the stock is cheap.

 

[ferlo]

What makes you think LUV is undervalued? According to Yahoo! Finance, Southwest is trading at 22 time earnings. CaL is trading at just 13 times earnings. Just because one share of SWA is only $15 doesn't mean the stock is cheap.

Luv stock hasn't appreciably moved in over 5 years.

 

[tico]

And is SWA going to keep and offer an A plan like Alaska Airlines?

How will SWA deal with Alaskan's ETOPs authority? International route authority to Russia with its QNE meters ops? .15 RNP GPS approaches to gravel runways? SATCOM, HF radios, ACARS, -800 B737's? Professional straight laced culture? Business fare structure.

SWA culture is not compatible with Alaskan Airlines.

Nice try but SWA would ruin Alaskan and itself doing something along these lines.

It is not "Alaskan" ......We do not have etops authority, we no longer have Russia authority, They are in the process of gaining RNP authority using our technology right now, we dont have satcom, we dont use HF radios, ACARS is a waste of money, trade them back for -700's..."Professional straight laced culture"....who are you trying to kid, they would change the business fares to regular fares.......And Alaska has done a good job of ruining itself..Southwest would do wonders for us............

 

[tico]

Yes they do. Our A plan is well funded. This will be a big talking point in upcoming negotiations. The company wants to modify the A plan. I don't think the pilot's are interested in returning a "B scale" to the property, which is what we will have if new hires are exempt from the A plan.
Interesting point is that the first item up on Jan 8th is training. They want us to train 24/7. Makes a guy ask why? Our upcoming retirement numbers are big, but not that big. What are they planning to do that would necessitate back side of the clock training?

Man what are they putting in your water bottles in ANC.....The A plan is not that well funded....It is well funded in comparison to other similar plans...different thing.......When are these big retirements going to happen that we keep hearing about.......They would like to train around the clock to help smooth the MD-80 transition and I for one (along with ferlo and hopefully 50.1% of the pilots) could care less what they want.....We should not even talk to them about training until pay is agreed on

 

[ghostrider64]

Well speaking from the point of view as a frequent flier GOLD MVP on Alaska, this wouldn't gain SWA and passengers out of SEATAC. We would run like rats to another airline that offers the same routes, with reserved seating, in flight meals, a lounge, and yes we often pay $20-$50 more per ticket for those perks...

It would be the end of a fantastic Airline that, with the exception of a wierd deal with American, has been flying solo. Alaska has by far the friendliest and most professional (young) crews of any airline with the above programs.

I'm pretty sure those in Alaska State Residents will be looking for another replacement for Alsaska. SOUTHWEST wont figure. SOUTHEAST might because there is Southeast Alaska. Is there a rebranding in the works....

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

If you REALLY paid attention you would notice Alaska is not part of the CONUS. Alaska's HQ is somewhere other than Alaska. Hence not Alaskan. Get it?

You guys are so critical. I might break down if you don't stop.

It's just like referring to Southwest as Southwestern. How do you like them apples?!?!

 

[scoreboard]

We would run like rats to another airline that offers the same routes, with reserved seating, in flight meals, a lounge, and yes we often pay $20-$50 more per ticket for those perks...
....

20-50 whole dollars, whoaaa buddy. When we come to town it will be more like hundreds of dollars difference. Your favorite airline fare SEA to ANC for 20 Dec is $410(restricted) to $940(full fare), a SWA fair for the same block length flight plus 30 minutes (MDW-LAX) walk-up fare fully refundable=$280

I think as an astute business person, you'll buy a lunch at the food court for $15, then walk on our jet pocketing that hundred or so bucks.

 

[ferlo]

20-50 whole dollars, whoaaa buddy. When we come to town it will be more like hundreds of dollars difference. Your favorite airline fare SEA to ANC for 20 Dec is $410(restricted) to $940(full fare), a SWA fair for the same block length flight plus 30 minutes (MDW-LAX) walk-up fare fully refundable=$280

I think as an astute business person, you'll buy a lunch at the food court for $15, then walk on our jet pocketing that hundred or so bucks.

When you come to "town" huh... Like King Salmon, Kotz, kodiak, juneau, adak, yakutat, wrangell, petersburg, cordova, bethel, nome, etc...sure dude, we eagerly await your lowering of fares here in "town".

 

[scoreboard]

When you come to "town" huh... Like King Salmon, Kotz, kodiak, juneau, adak, yakutat, wrangell, petersburg, cordova, bethel, nome, etc...sure dude, we eagerly await your lowering of fares here in "town".

None of those places deserve jet service. And as soon as they move the Capital to Ancorage or Fairbanks, neither will Juneau.

 

[mach none]

None of those places deserve jet service. And as soon as they move the Capital to Ancorage or Fairbanks, neither will Juneau.

Right.

 

[Hpilot]

Right.

I think what you meant to say was, RRiiiiiggghhhhhtt.

 

[Baze]

Yeah, people living up in those small towns don't deserve to be provided with transportation. They don't deserve to receive mail and essentials for everyday survival. They don't deserve to have regular air service that will get them out for medical reasons.

Why would anyone in their right mind live in Alaska anyway?

 

[FNG_that's me]

Yeah, people living up in those small towns don't deserve to be provided with transportation. They don't deserve to receive mail and essentials for everyday survival. They don't deserve to have regular air service that will get them out for medical reasons.

Why don't you just build a bridge from Anchorage to each town?

 

[scoreboard]

Yeah, people living up in those small towns don't deserve to be provided with transportation. They don't deserve to receive mail and essentials for everyday survival. They don't deserve to have regular air service that will get them out for medical reasons.

quote]

Baze, read my response again, then comprehend it. I said "Jet service", I didn't say no service. Every community wants jet service, they should only get jet service when they deserve it (loads, frequency, airfield, terminal, etc)You want jet service to King? Fine, pay for it with you state "oil fund", but don't ask my tax dollars to support what isn't required with EAS BS...

Turboprops, radials, opposed motors, these fit the bill.

 

[av8instyle]

Yeah, people living up in those small towns don't deserve to be provided with transportation. They don't deserve to receive mail and essentials for everyday survival. They don't deserve to have regular air service that will get them out for medical reasons.

quote]

Baze, read my response again, then comprehend it. I said "Jet service", I didn't say no service. Every community wants jet service, they should only get jet service when they deserve it (loads, frequency, airfield, terminal, etc)You want jet service to King? Fine, pay for it with you state "oil fund", but don't ask my tax dollars to support what isn't required with EAS BS...

Turboprops, radials, opposed motors, these fit the bill.

Believe it or not, when the topside isn't full of pax we usually fill it with igloos of freight. The airplane gets filled. And on top of our schedule, we are always doing extra sections of cargo loads to most of those spots. Just did one to Red Dog today. Doing one to Kotzebue tomorrow. But you must know more because, what, you flew eagles at EDF?

 

[scoreboard]

Believe it or not, when the topside isn't full of pax we usually fill it with igloos of freight. The airplane gets filled. And on top of our schedule, we are always doing extra sections of cargo loads to most of those spots. Just did one to Red Dog today. Doing one to Kotzebue tomorrow. But you must know more because, what, you flew eagles at EDF?

I didn't say you didn't fill the jet up. I meant at what cost? EAS pays for a whole lot of Alaska flying to places that, well, don't deserve the level of service they get. Sure, that frieght you flew in could as easily been flown by any number of other aircraft, but EAS makes it possible for you, I guess, good on Alaska for using that as a source of funds. No, stopping EAS would not harm Alaska one iota, numerous other players would enter the market if the EAS went away. I did a study on it back in the day when I lived up there. Don't get me wrong, I love Alaska, as soon as the women dies, I'll return.

Off to fight the snow, Have a safe and Merry Christmas all. Even you Flopgut my friend.