JB 190 Raise

[Hair-on-Fire]

Captain : First year pay increases $4 or 5.6% to $75 (still sucks)
F/O: First year pay increases $11 or 29.7% to $48 (much better)

Same longevity raises

A320 = Nothing

 

[atlcrashpad]

Source?

 

[9rj9]

good for you guys/gals

Wow, all without a Union. Now lets see if ALPA can follow their lead.

 

[8vATE]

Step in the right direction...

A year one Captain flying 83 hours will make $80,544 (factoring in premium pay).

A year one F/O flying 83 will make $51,552.


That's ignoring the reserve factor..
To figure that... take the base rate at 70 hours and add 5 hours of premium (150%)

 

[Hutchman]

$48- 190 fo JetBlue yr 1

$29.97- 777 fo CAL yr 1 (Jan slots to newhires)

Not bad JetBlue. Not Bad.

 

[instructordude]

Congrats guys! I'm hungry looking at that FO pay!

 

[oldxfr8dog]

A year one Captain flying 83 hours will make $80,544 (factoring in premium pay).

A year one F/O flying 83 will make $51,552.


That's ignoring the reserve factor..
To figure that... take the base rate at 70 hours and add 5 hours of premium (150%)

Do NOT figure "Blended Rate" for JB payscales!

 

[Blue Dude]

It's a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage. It's merely acceptable 1st yr FO pay. Everything else is totally unsat. I can no longer recommend JetBlue as a career carrier.

 

[9rj9]

ok

Why not include 1.5x over 70 hours ? Pay is pay.

Oh and thank you blue dude for your advice. Why don't you leave for a better airline if its so bad, there are 1000's willing to take your place.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Whats 2nd, 3rd, 4th years pay since thats how long they say until upgrade?

 

[Blue Dude]

Why not include 1.5x over 70 hours ? Pay is pay.

Because you have little control over how much premium over 70 hrs you get paid. Vacation and time off doesn't count for time and a half, for instance. Therefore if you have a vacation week, forget about ANY premium pay for the month. Also, some months are very lean and it's difficult to pick up much time over 70. And if you're junior, there may be nothing left at all to pick up even in the good months. Premium pay is an incentive to work hard, but you can't count on it for base pay, period.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Why not include 1.5x over 70 hours ? Pay is pay.

Because only a minority can earn it.
Of the 61 LGB 320 Capt. lines for Jan., only 13 have 83 hours or more. (This morning, Dave Barger said 83 hours is what they base the "Blended Rate" on.) That's only 21%.
Bos Capt. 9 out of 32 = 28%.
FLL Capt. 23 out of 82 = 28%
JFK Capt. 47 out of 473 = 9%
JFK 190 Capt. 5 out 0f 150 = 3%
BOS 190 Capt 7 out of 27 = 26%

Get my point?

 

[9rj9]

oh ok

ya thats terrible.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

It's a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage. It's merely acceptable 1st yr FO pay. Everything else is totally unsat. I can no longer recommend JetBlue as a career carrier.

Agreed.

 

[Phrogs4ever]

Aaaaaand?

$48- 190 fo JetBlue yr 1

$29.97- 777 fo CAL yr 1 (Jan slots to newhires)

Not bad JetBlue. Not Bad.

Your point? First year pay does not respect the aircraft. Second year 777FO makes $72/hr ($65-80,000 2nd year).

Can anyone post the rest of the JB 190 pay scale.

 

[Blue Dude]

Oh and thank you blue dude for your advice. Why don't you leave for a better airline if its so bad, there are 1000's willing to take your place.

I didn't give any advice. And you can shove it with yours. If I want to stay and fight for a worthwhile career, that's my business. And if you want to bend over and take anything that comes your way, that's yours. Just stay the hell out of my way in the meantime. You'll thank me later.

 

[JetFumes]

Why not include 1.5x over 70 hours ? Pay is pay.

Oh and thank you blue dude for your advice. Why don't you leave for a better airline if its so bad, there are 1000's willing to take your place.

Sorry, Regional FO's and CFI's don't count.

 

[WDE]

Trust me, wait til 07 when the legacy's are hiring, I'm a blue shirt and promise it is nothing more than an average job at this point.

 

[AKAAB]

Too bad all of the furloughees from other carriers didn't show up to the meeting this morning in their old uniforms. There will be a significant increase in the number of pilots taking the recall, now. However, they'll still be around long enough for the vote.

Times, they are a changin'....

 

[skiandsurf]

I think it is great that JB sees the low pay as a problem, but at the same time arent they trying to cut cost and save money by pulling seats out of the A320s and reducing the FA staffing by 25%.

We know that Blue Dude is not happy, but how is the company really doing?

 

[AKAAB]

I think it is great that JB sees the low pay as a problem, but at the same time arent they trying to cut cost and save money by pulling seats out of the A320s and reducing the FA staffing by 25%.

We know that Blue Dude is not happy, but how is the company really doing?

Projecting $200mil in profits for 2007 - which is why the pay and benefits is a growing issue after a year of crying about returning to profitability.

 

[8vATE]

Do NOT figure "Blended Rate" for JB payscales!

Why not?

That's like ignoring the FACTS...

Base rate is effective to 70 hours..
Even RESERVES are guaranteed more.

 

[8vATE]

Because only a minority can earn it.
Of the 61 LGB 320 Capt. lines for Jan., only 13 have 83 hours or more. (This morning, Dave Barger said 83 hours is what they base the "Blended Rate" on.) That's only 21%.
Bos Capt. 9 out of 32 = 28%.
FLL Capt. 23 out of 82 = 28%
JFK Capt. 47 out of 473 = 9%
JFK 190 Capt. 5 out 0f 150 = 3%
BOS 190 Capt 7 out of 27 = 26%

Get my point?

You skirted the question..
How many pilots get more than 70 hours?

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

You guys treat this airline as if its been around 70 years. We're still an infant trying to find a way to success. If it takes a few years to do it, why not support it-- I'm not starving right now. At least the company found a way to bring up the 190 F/O pay, even though we're not even in the black this year. What other airline in the red is handing out pay raises, ummm, NONE... It is much easier to ask for money back ala US Airways, Delta, Northwest, UAL. It is much harder to give money out and this company does try to "do the right thing". If there are those here on board who don't like it, then, the door is open-- LEAVE, and then, maybe then, when enough pilots cross the threshold, we just might see some more in terms compensation and benefits...

 

[GuppyPuppy]

My guess is that Bob Neal (recall coordinator at United) will soon be getting a bunch of calls from UAL furloughees currently at JB.

Merry effing Christmas!

With bluelove,

David and Dave

 

[Little Bubba]

Are you still required to clean cabins?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

You guys treat this airline as if its been around 70 years. We're still an infant trying to find a way to success. If it takes a few years to do it, why not support it-- I'm not starving right now. At least the company found a way to bring up the 190 F/O pay, even though we're not even in the black this year. What other airline in the red is handing out pay raises, ummm, NONE... It is much easier to ask for money back ala US Airways, Delta, Northwest, UAL. It is much harder to give money out and this company does try to "do the right thing". If there are those here on board who don't like it, then, the door is open-- LEAVE, and then, maybe then, when enough pilots cross the threshold, we just might see some more in terms compensation and benefits...

Well then, I guess you should thank me for my efforts in trying to get YOUR overall compensation increased.

You're welcome.

Cheers!

GP

 

[Blue Dude]

You skirted the question..
How many pilots get more than 70 hours?

It depends. And just because you get more than 70 hrs does not mean that you get premium pay.

It's impossible to come with an all-encompassing blended rate because the line values vary so much. Premium pay is a month by month productivity bonus, no more. And one that isn't available to all pilots on a consistent basis.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Are you still required to clean cabins?

I'll just tell the flight attendants that I'm too busy checking the johnson rod and ball bearings.

No gloves for me.

GP

 

[On Your Six]

I am betting that you will see JetBlue pilots leave to return to USAirways when their number is up too. I know a few guys who have turned down JetBlue offers to stay at Netjets and World as well.

Let's hope it gets better for you guys because you certainly work hard enough... And, $80-90K as PIC on the E190 won't go far in NY.