Not trying to be mean....

[scoreboard]

Ok, what is up with all

generalizing aren't you?

of the miltary folks getting great avation jobs

there are great jobs out here?

and then going on miltary leave? It's great that you protecting our country, but don't you think your milking the system?

OK sonny, I don't think flying into harms way is milking any system

I've ran into so many

once again your generalizing

miltary guy's that keep going back to active duty for 3 and 4 tours, just so when they come back there senroity number is great or they hold out for bigger iron. I've been seening this for some time

some time as in a week, a month, you heard it from a friend of a friend?

and I just don't get it.

nor will you

Why are you doing this?

I'm all for the miltary, I tried and didn't get in.

and they say our standards have been lowered

Very long stroy.

stroy?

I'm not dogging anyone or any branch

no not dogging, just bringing it up before thanksgiving

, I'm just wondering is it just me?

its you Einstein

I've asked some of the miltary guy's and they say just so they can get a kick butt schedual

and you believed it, ever hear of sarcasm?

. That is just for the wrong reasons.[/quote

4 posts, YGBSM, go back to Flight sim boy.

 

[YankandBank]

Hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!

Exceuse the hell out of me for thinking faster then what my fingers can type!!! Yes, I've talked to 4 miltary guy's doing this. "Milking" the system. I'm not going to name names or they work, but they know who they are. I'm sorry if you think I ment all milatry guy's are doing this, didn't mean it that way!! Sorry for the bad timeing. Alot of us have family too and still have to work the holiday's.

The 4 guy's I'm talking about just do pond crossings and Euro stuff. I asked how they liked sand and they all said they were not there. Sure there are bad egg's, on both side's. But why should they get to milk the system when others, on both side's, get screwed?

I know a lot of vet's from all over. I love to listen to the things they have seen and done. I've alway's thanked each one, no matter what they did, for letting me hear there story. Some of them have said that it's said that there are some "milking" the system.

So if you took this personaly, get off your high horse!!

If I have offended the "real" miltary guy's, I'm sorry.

If you are going to judge me the number of post, sorry I've got better things to do then sit around bitch at some one about the number of post!! I've just flying too much and my plane doesn't get internet!!

 

[JFReservist]

just doing pond crossings...

I'll be the first to admit, I am milking the system. I sit left seat on my MIL LV vacation days, and right seat at the other job. I've had many people congratulate me on getting my PIC time and forgoing the right seat crap at my flailing regional job. Yes, I get paid double at the Reserves that I do on the line. I was one of the lucky ones who, with no effort at all, eased into a pilot slot, graduated top third of my class and started sucking the reserve teet. I got lucky, milking the system.

I got lucky enough to pass gas to guys hauling the remains of 19 and 20 year old kids who gave their lives, not to debate union v. mngmt, but to debate freedom v. the death of civilization. I am milking the system by being on-time with a boat load of gas to give to a receiver so they can get supplies to and from the AOR, with min time on the ground. I love milking the system over the pond, while my daughter asks my wife, "when is daddy coming home?" I will milk, and scam and be unethical as much as I can to do my part for the war effort, no matter how dismayed I am with its progress or my personal opinions. I will do all of that to honor those that have worn the uniform before me. I guess we all have our priorities though.

 

[brainhurts]

I'll be the first to admit, I am milking the system. I sit left seat on my MIL LV vacation days, and right seat at the other job. I've had many people congratulate me on getting my PIC time and forgoing the right seat crap at my flailing regional job. Yes, I get paid double at the Reserves that I do on the line. I was one of the lucky ones who, with no effort at all, eased into a pilot slot, graduated top third of my class and started sucking the reserve teet. I got lucky, milking the system.

I got lucky enough to pass gas to guys hauling the remains of 19 and 20 year old kids who gave their lives, not to debate union v. mngmt, but to debate freedom v. the death of civilization. I am milking the system by being on-time with a boat load of gas to give to a receiver so they can get supplies to and from the AOR, with min time on the ground. I love milking the system over the pond, while my daughter asks my wife, "when is daddy coming home?" I will milk, and scam and be unethical as much as I can to do my part for the war effort, no matter how dismayed I am with its progress or my personal opinions. I will do all of that to honor those that have worn the uniform before me. I guess we all have our priorities though.

Bingo. And if that is considered "milking the system"--then so be it.

 

[K-Mart]

Bingo. And if that is considered "milking the system"--then so be it.

Amen and Happy Turkey Day to those serving our country here and oveseas!

 

[brainhurts]

Hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!

Exceuse the hell out of me for thinking faster then what my fingers can type!!! Yes, I've talked to 4 miltary guy's doing this. "Milking" the system. I'm not going to name names or they work, but they know who they are. I'm sorry if you think I ment all milatry guy's are doing this, didn't mean it that way!! Sorry for the bad timeing. Alot of us have family too and still have to work the holiday's.

The 4 guy's I'm talking about just do pond crossings and Euro stuff. I asked how they liked sand and they all said they were not there. Sure there are bad egg's, on both side's. But why should they get to milk the system when others, on both side's, get screwed?

I know a lot of vet's from all over. I love to listen to the things they have seen and done. I've alway's thanked each one, no matter what they did, for letting me hear there story. Some of them have said that it's said that there are some "milking" the system.

So if you took this personaly, get off your high horse!!

If I have offended the "real" miltary guy's, I'm sorry.

If you are going to judge me the number of post, sorry I've got better things to do then sit around bitch at some one about the number of post!! I've just flying too much and my plane doesn't get internet!!

Dude, the guys who say "milking the system" are probably being facetious. They have to do the days to be current so many times you say "milking the system" in jest around your non military brethrern just to deflect the good natured joking that usually follows anyway. Many times, if you have to do the duty anyway, you have options that are more advantageous to your situation, so you use those options. Lighten up Francis. If the military guys get thrown a bone on occasion, its not like they don't pay for it later.

 

[holmie]

Since most of the industry is in the toilet it is in the best interests of most Mil folks to go on orders to make up for the money they used to make. Not rocket science that these guys now have to make up for the retirements they lost as well as the major pay hits. Leave them alone.

 

[scoreboard]

Hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!
So if you took this personaly, get off your high horse!!
!!

Kid, you started this going public when you could have easily done a search of the forum using the words military leave abuse.

And as you can see, your welcome.

 

[M3pilot]

And would you please quit using so damn many apostrophes! Seriously though, do you think after we get deployed on these all-expenses-paid vacations by Uncle Sam that we're thrilled to go into a PC cold? It's tough enough staying current and proficient in two completely different airframes and sets of regs...

My .02

Ok, I'm off that. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

 

[dispatchguy]

A good friend of mine is on orders, while taking the MIL bypass from a UAL recall flying those remains of 19 and 20 yr olds who have given their lives. Right now, he's probably at about 30 west coming west, while his twin 2 daughters have another thanksgiving without their dad.

Yeah, its all a bed of roses.

To all wearing the uniform, HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING, we're all praying for your safe return back to the real world of booze, bars, and broads

 

[Murphy]

To all the Guardsmen and Reservists, thanks for doing your part for the Total Force. I was active duty for 20+ years and I don't know how you do the juggling act with two jobs and maintain some sort of a personal life.
YankandBank probably thinks that people who do mil charters for their airline are milking the system also. I was at Biggs AAF a few years back and an American Airlines crew brought a plane full of soldiers back from Germany who had just finished a tour in Iraq. Our crew went over to talk to the AA crew and you could tell that they were deeply moved to be contributing to the war effort.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Happy Thanksgiving to all our Servicemen abroad and "Thank you".

That about sums it up!

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!

Exceuse the hell out of me for thinking faster then what my fingers can type!!! Yes, I've talked to 4 miltary guy's doing this. "Milking" the system. I'm not going to name names or they work, but they know who they are. I'm sorry if you think I ment all milatry guy's are doing this, didn't mean it that way!! Sorry for the bad timeing. Alot of us have family too and still have to work the holiday's.

The 4 guy's I'm talking about just do pond crossings and Euro stuff. I asked how they liked sand and they all said they were not there. Sure there are bad egg's, on both side's. But why should they get to milk the system when others, on both side's, get screwed?

I know a lot of vet's from all over. I love to listen to the things they have seen and done. I've alway's thanked each one, no matter what they did, for letting me hear there story. Some of them have said that it's said that there are some "milking" the system.

So if you took this personaly, get off your high horse!!

If I have offended the "real" miltary guy's, I'm sorry.

If you are going to judge me the number of post, sorry I've got better things to do then sit around bitch at some one about the number of post!! I've just flying too much and my plane doesn't get internet!!

Just a guess here ... but the horrific grammar above suggests this is some 10 or 11 year-old "english as a second language" child stirring the pot.

BBB

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Yank,

One example I saw in fall of 1990 at AA

07:45- New hire on hotel van, excited about starting a new life at what was one of the top places to be as an airline pilot. His family is ecstatic, his wife is probably relieved that she won't become a widow because of a smoking hole in the ground.

08:15- After introductions, new hire signs corporate paperwork, he's now an airline pilot with a seniority number.

08:30- Phone call comes in from some unknown important place.

08:45- This stunned guy is outside my class with orders to go ASAP to the Middle East. I saw him being told that he was an AA pilot with a number, and his job will be there when he got back. He seemed relieved at the time that it was the one "sure thing" he had.

My plump little civvie arse went on to bitch about life in a crash pad and watch guys like him produce target videos for CNN.:beer:

 

[Networ-King]

For me, drill pay was the only thing that kept me solvent during my first year at Trans States. I do still take as much military leave as I can because I like it and it pays 2-3 times as much as my "real" job. I'm sorry if that doesn't meet with your approval. If you're really upset, you could lobby congress to get the law changed...

First off... let me thank all the guys/gals out there doing their jobs in the military to let us keep our lives going smoothly.....

As for the this thread? I think alot of you military guys are comparing apples to oranges. IMHO.... I believe the guy that started this thread is talking about the a$$holes that I've quoted above. This guy didn't get DEPLOYED. This guy "still takes as much military leave as he can because he likes it and it pays 2-3 times as much as his REAL job". Now... the fact that us civies have to cover for this d!ck while he abuses the system means nothing to you guys because we never served right? Give me a break.....I'll be the first to do a fly no pay for the guys that are out there doing their job and getting deplolyed, but for the guys that ruin my holiday and screw with my schedule because he can, time and time again, well... Im sorry if I don't kiss his feet and keep thanking him for abusing the system.

We got a guy at UPS that got his probation extended by 10 months because he only flew FOUR trips in one year for big brown. No.... he did not get deployed.... yes he absused the system and yes he got caught. THIS is the guy that gives you hard working military guys a bad name...... again JMHO. I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would say anything negative to you guys that have gotten deployed to serve this country, just the guys that keep f&*king their union brothers and sisters over and over again just because they can..... don't you worry though.... as someone wrote earlier.... EVERYONE knows who you are... and karma's a bit c h.

Happy Turkey day Yallllllllll........... rant over.......

 

[afhercdriver]

Happy Thanksgiving Guys!

 

[YankandBank]

Thanks Networ-King... finaly some one got it!! Sorry if anyone eles had problems reading my post. I'll stop using my decoder ring to type!!

Happy Turkey day to ALL!!

 

[Scrapdog]

First off... let me thank all the guys/gals out there doing their jobs in the military to let us keep our lives going smoothly.....

As for the this thread? I think alot of you military guys are comparing apples to oranges. IMHO.... I believe the guy that started this thread is talking about the a$$holes that I've quoted above. This guy didn't get DEPLOYED. This guy "still takes as much military leave as he can because he likes it and it pays 2-3 times as much as his REAL job". Now... the fact that us civies have to cover for this d!ck while he abuses the system means nothing to you guys because we never served right? Give me a break.....I'll be the first to do a fly no pay for the guys that are out there doing their job and getting deplolyed, but for the guys that ruin my holiday and screw with my schedule because he can, time and time again, well... Im sorry if I don't kiss his feet and keep thanking him for abusing the system.

We got a guy at UPS that got his probation extended by 10 months because he only flew FOUR trips in one year for big brown. No.... he did not get deployed.... yes he absused the system and yes he got caught. THIS is the guy that gives you hard working military guys a bad name...... again JMHO. I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would say anything negative to you guys that have gotten deployed to serve this country, just the guys that keep f&*king their union brothers and sisters over and over again just because they can..... don't you worry though.... as someone wrote earlier.... EVERYONE knows who you are... and karma's a bit c h.

Happy Turkey day Yallllllllll........... rant over.......

Networ - thanks for appreciating what we do, that is always nice to hear. However, here is a quick heads up for you. We don't just take mil leave to deploy, mil pilots will continue to take mil leave during normal ops to keep our training up. I have no intention of abusing the system, however I will take whatever mil leave is necessary to continue to keep my skills as sharp as possible so when I DO deploy, I'll be the warfighter capable of winning the mission.

I guess what I'm saying is - there is a fine line between "abusing" the system and taking the required mil leave to keep current in today's high demand enviornment, especially with the new hardware coming off the line - i.e. the F-22 and the future F-35, which bring a whole new complexity to flying and employing fighter aircraft. If that means taking mil leave that require me to perform my mil duties during normal weeks and during holidays, so be it. It's just what is required to be the best of the best....sometimes the timing just stinks for civ guys, and that's unfortunate. Bottom line, mil leave is required for guys both deploying and during peacetime training to be the best warriors they can be - that's just the nature of the beast.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Scrap et al,

Why even give this guy the pleasure? Clearly flamebait...he can't even spell half of his words correctly.

-Neal

 

[Networ-King]

Networ - thanks for appreciating what we do, that is always nice to hear. However, here is a quick heads up for you. We don't just take mil leave to deploy, mil pilots will continue to take mil leave during normal ops to keep our training up. I have no intention of abusing the system, however I will take whatever mil leave is necessary to continue to keep my skills as sharp as possible so when I DO deploy, I'll be the warfighter capable of winning the mission.

I guess what I'm saying is - there is a fine line between "abusing" the system and taking the required mil leave to keep current in today's high demand enviornment, especially with the new hardware coming off the line - i.e. the F-22 and the future F-35, which bring a whole new complexity to flying and employing fighter aircraft. If that means taking mil leave that require me to perform my mil duties during normal weeks and during holidays, so be it. It's just what is required to be the best of the best....sometimes the timing just stinks for civ guys, and that's unfortunate. Bottom line, mil leave is required for guys both deploying and during peacetime training to be the best warriors they can be - that's just the nature of the beast.

Scrap....

LOL... you crack me up man.... Alright I'll give you the "gotta keep the skills up bit", but do you honestly think I don't have mil buddies that tell me about their "training" events? LOL.....Like I said, I would probably also use it to my advantage, but I wouldn't screw my fellow union brothers and sisters as bad as some of these guys do.... just because they can..... know what I mean? Anyways.... its just a few bad apples that give the rest a bad name.... just like anything else I guess. Thanks again to all the guys and gals putting their necks out on the line for us ungrateful civilians:beer:. Hope eveybody had a great thanksgiving.......