Is Delta recalling furloughed pilots?

[sgu]

I'll be happy to be the Flap Operator for 10 years on the 757/767, 737-800! I'll sign up when the door opens again!

 

[737 Pylt]

Does anyone remember delta's minimums when they were hiring?

I'm not sure on total time, but I remember the 1000 PIC turbine being a "must have." In today's environment where the regionals were growing at such a rapid growth, I'm sure there'll be no shortage of qualified candidates.

737

 

[Tomct]

Tomcat:

I am the last on the list to be recalled so I DO SPEAK FOR THE NEWHIRES!!! At least the first 1,000 or so... Even if nothing changes not another pilot is hired to cover growth but just to backfill retirements, I will be half way up the seniority list by 2017. Yes ten years in the right seat seems like a long time but sorry to tell you there is not a major that you will upgrade "fast" now. If you want to upgrade fast by all means Airtran, Frontier, Jet Blue, Southwest. If you still want heavy jets and international your going to be swinging gear for a few years.

I know its not as glamorus as your rj and overnights in XNA but to each there own.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't your longevity follow you? So when you go back, it will be a much better pay check over someone just starting. SWA upgrade is running about 6-7 years...not that quick, have no desire to work at Airtran OR the Blue! I do know that Continental has VERY fast upgrades coming. According to a senior jumpseater, they are going to have 375-400 retiring a year for the next 6-7 years. With all of the airplanes that they are getting, you could possibly upgrade in less than two years. Take that for what it worth! Good luck at Big D!!

 

[DAL737FO]

Trying to predict upgrades at an airline is almost impossible. This industry is has ups and downs and it affects each airline differently. Delta was top of the heap in 2001 with the industry leading contract and upgrades to Captain at the Express operation at 18 months and NYC MD-88 mainline Captains at 4-5 years. Now in 2006 we are the goat. Not the bottom but we can see it from here. That's the one thing for sure if you're at the top there is only one way you can go. Everyone is predicting a large aircraft order with announcement of exiting BK. I hope they are right.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not sure on total time, but I remember the 1000 PIC turbine being a "must have." In today's environment where the regionals were growing at such a rapid growth, I'm sure there'll be no shortage of qualified candidates.

737

The TT was pretty low, if I remember right. Something like 1500-2000 TT, 1000 PIC turbine, and a 4-year degree.

 

[JimGlasair3]

The TT was pretty low, if I remember right. Something like 1500-2000 TT, 1000 PIC turbine, and a 4-year degree.

Had a buddy that was on the interview list at Bid D, just before everything ground to a halt. He told me, at the time, that 2000 PIC turbine was competetive. Might be lower for MIL folks. And, of course, the internal recommendations make a huge difference.

 

[satpak77]

wonder what the "upgrade time projection" was for TWA in 1994 or Pan Am in 1988?

my years might be off you my point is clear

FYI

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Trying to predict upgrades at an airline is almost impossible. This industry is has ups and downs and it affects each airline differently. Delta was top of the heap in 2001 with the industry leading contract and upgrades to Captain at the Express operation at 18 months and NYC MD-88 mainline Captains at 4-5 years. Now in 2006 we are the goat. Not the bottom but we can see it from here. That's the one thing for sure if you're at the top there is only one way you can go. Everyone is predicting a large aircraft order with announcement of exiting BK. I hope they are right.

In some ways Delta might be at the bottom, along with NWA, at this exact moment. But time goes on.

As soon Delta emerges I expect furloughed AA to seek interview. You'll see. There will be some of those guys in new hire classes post BK.

But I do believe the furloughed AA guys should have started already at CAL. That would have provided the best opportunity to make Captain in the next 6 years.

 

[800Dog]

I'm not sure on total time, but I remember the 1000 PIC turbine being a "must have." In today's environment where the regionals were growing at such a rapid growth, I'm sure there'll be no shortage of qualified candidates.

737

1000 PIC turbine was not required when I was hired in '99.

 

[FDJ2]

The TT was pretty low, if I remember right. Something like 1500-2000 TT, 1000 PIC turbine, and a 4-year degree.

FWIW, from what I remember seeing at the CPO the average new hire in 2001 was 35.5 years old and had 5,500 hours.

 

[Hutchman]

.......... Continental has VERY fast upgrades coming. According to a senior jumpseater, they are going to have 375-400 retiring a year for the next 6-7 years. With all of the airplanes that they are getting, you could possibly upgrade in less than two years. Take that for what it worth! Good luck at Big D!!

Cal age 60 Retirements:
06-250
07-323
08-247
09-222
10-213
11-220
12-208

Not Quite 375-400, but alot of retirements especially next year.

 

[michael707767]

Cal age 60 Retirements:
Not Quite 375-400, but alot of retirements especially next year.

for the record, here at Delta' age 60 retirements for the same time period and then a few more years beyond that:
07 30
08 61
09 76
10 91
11 133
12 161
13 221
14 273
15 348
16 484

 

[tbkane]

FWIW there was no 1000 pic requirement at DAL. I was a line check airman at ASA when I was hired. 3500 TT and 940 PIC turbine. Again more myths being sold on the net.

 

[FDJ2]

for the record, here at Delta' age 60 retirements for the same time period and then a few more years beyond that:
07 30
08 61
09 76
10 91
11 133
12 161
13 221
14 273
15 348
16 484

Cal age 60 Retirements:
06-250
07-323
08-247
09-222
10-213
11-220
12-208

My math shows CAL having 1,131 more retirements through 2012 than DAL. After 2012 DAL retirement numbers tend to normalize.

 

[Launchpad]

1000 PIC turbine was not required when I was hired in '99.

Me neither, I had slightly less than that in 00'. I think it was 1000 hours turbine time or something, but not PIC if I remember.

 

[Tomct]

Trying to predict upgrades at an airline is almost impossible. This industry is has ups and downs and it affects each airline differently. Delta was top of the heap in 2001 with the industry leading contract and upgrades to Captain at the Express operation at 18 months and NYC MD-88 mainline Captains at 4-5 years. Now in 2006 we are the goat. Not the bottom but we can see it from here. That's the one thing for sure if you're at the top there is only one way you can go. Everyone is predicting a large aircraft order with announcement of exiting BK. I hope they are right.

I hope that they are right also!! I would like to see the ole "Black Nose" come blasting out of the ashes!

 

[Tomct]

Cal age 60 Retirements:
06-250
07-323
08-247
09-222
10-213
11-220
12-208

Not Quite 375-400, but alot of retirements especially next year.

Thanks Hutch, just going by what the ole 777 El Capitan told me. Either way, things look good over yonder!

 

[GogglesPisano]

It's all about percentages.

CAL retirements through 2012 = 1433/CAL pilots (4701) = 30%

DAL retirements through 2012 = 552/ DAL active pilots(5698) = 10%
(through 2016 = 1878/5698 = 32%)


It looks you will move up much much faster at CAL until about 2012, when Delta's retirement "slump" ends.

Also, CAL is growing at 5-10% and doesn't need to replace a lot of older aircraft like the MD88.

OTOH, it looks like the Age 60 rule will change and this may set everything back by 5 years.


Anyone have CAL numbers through 2016?

 

[instructordude]

Cal age 60 Retirements:
06-250
07-323
08-247
09-222
10-213
11-220
12-208

Not Quite 375-400, but alot of retirements especially next year.

Bring it on baby!!

 

[FlyingSig]

Here's the DAL numbers for the next 28 years.... FWIW as far as upgrade time goes, I've flown with several 1997 hire Capt's lately.

2006 4
2007 30
2008 60
2009 71
2010 91
2011 132
2012 161
2013 221
2014 270
2015 336
2016 478
2017 560
2018 530
2019 525
2020 459
2021 401
2022 303
2023 284
2024 263
2025 288
2026 239
2027 169
2028 148
2029 90
2030 70
2031 52
2032 27
2033 11
2034 5