Is Delta recalling furloughed pilots?

[sonny320]

Just noticed Delta is recalling 1,000 flight attendants;

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061109/delta_flight_attendants.html?.v=1

Anyone know the number of pilots on furlough and any type of recall schedule?

 

[michael707767]

Just noticed Delta is recalling 1,000 flight attendants;

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061109/delta_flight_attendants.html?.v=1

Anyone know the number of pilots on furlough and any type of recall schedule?

Delta is down to 200 pilots on furlough, and we still have about 25-30 slots to fill in the announced recall classes. I expect all the furloughs who desire a recall will be back within a few months.

 

[sonny320]

Looks like Delta be hiring off the streets pretty soon, thanks for the reply.

 

[General Lee]

Looks like Delta be hiring off the streets pretty soon, thanks for the reply.

Apparently we have a newhire coordinator ready, and they just announced the recall of up to 1000 flight attendants too. Look for possible Spring interviews, after all of the furloughs have either come back or bypassed.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[satpak77]

General

That is of course if Age 65 is not passed......

just kidding

 

[Falconjet]

Apparently we have a newhire coordinator ready, and they just announced the recall of up to 1000 flight attendants too. Look for possible Spring interviews, after all of the furloughs have either come back or bypassed.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Is it going to be Plato?

FJ

 

[michael707767]

Is it going to be Plato?

FJ

nope.

 

[General Lee]

Is it going to be Plato?

FJ

It will be..........ME. I will start taking bribes next week! (ok, no $$ bribes, but a Wendy's hamburger will get you a long way....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tomct]

Good Luck guys, the only problem is that most guys will be "career F/O's" and that would SUCK!! Not enough growth or retirements to help that problem. Hope that I am wrong, but from what I see, probably a true statement!

 

[tbkane]

Well good then stay in your rj and retire there! The only way you will be a career fo is if your 50 all ready and then you shouldn't make the move. Sorry to be rude but I really get sick of people spreading crap they know nothing about. If you don't work at Delta what makes you able to answer the questions or make such bold and stupid comments.

 

[LandGreen]

Good Luck guys, the only problem is that most guys will be "career F/O's" and that would SUCK!! Not enough growth or retirements to help that problem. Hope that I am wrong, but from what I see, probably a true statement!

What is the upgrade projection for guys coming back on the property. Didn't most the guys over 50 retire? I heard 15 year upgrades???

 

[Jetsetter]

Well good then stay in your rj and retire there! The only way you will be a career fo is if your 50 all ready and then you shouldn't make the move. Sorry to be rude but I really get sick of people spreading crap they know nothing about. If you don't work at Delta what makes you able to answer the questions or make such bold and stupid comments.

Exactly....Sounds like you will be back fairly soon, if you want.

 

[Tomct]

Well good then stay in your rj and retire there! The only way you will be a career fo is if your 50 all ready and then you shouldn't make the move. Sorry to be rude but I really get sick of people spreading crap they know nothing about. If you don't work at Delta what makes you able to answer the questions or make such bold and stupid comments.

Won't be here, but thanks! Hope that it all works out for you, my comments were for guys who are NOT furloughed! Unless you are a 25 yr wonder, that may possibly be a reality. Look at the aircraft order book. What 15 75's that's awesome, 2 777's, again awesome, but after that....nothing! The order book for the 787 is sold out until 2012. Did I forget anything? Hope you get back online soon though!

 

[FDJ2]

Good Luck guys, the only problem is that most guys will be "career F/O's" and that would SUCK!! Not enough growth or retirements to help that problem. Hope that I am wrong, but from what I see, probably a true statement!

You really can't make that conclusion unless you know how many retirements there will be in the next 5,10 and 15 years, and what DAL's Plan of Reorganization fleet plan is plus what the growth rate will be 5, 10, 15 years from now.

There are way too unknown variables to declare that anyone hired will be a "career" first officer, which in reality we all know will never be the case, unless all new hires are older than all the pilots currently on the list.

 

[FDJ2]

Look at the aircraft order book. What 15 75's that's awesome, 2 777's, again awesome, but after that....nothing! The order book for the 787 is sold out until 2012. Did I forget anything?

Yeah, you forgot the 737-800s on order, you were incorrect on the number of 777s on order, you forgot options and you forgot that Boeing is considering opening up another 787 assembly facility to increase production, you forgot that several leasing companies have existing orders for 787s and that leasing company tend to lease aircraft to airlines, you also forgot that airlines often do make new orders. You also have no clue what DAL's Plan of Reorganization is. But thanks for your input.

 

[tbkane]

Tomcat:

I am the last on the list to be recalled so I DO SPEAK FOR THE NEWHIRES!!! At least the first 1,000 or so... Even if nothing changes not another pilot is hired to cover growth but just to backfill retirements, I will be half way up the seniority list by 2017. Yes ten years in the right seat seems like a long time but sorry to tell you there is not a major that you will upgrade "fast" now. If you want to upgrade fast by all means Airtran, Frontier, Jet Blue, Southwest. If you still want heavy jets and international your going to be swinging gear for a few years.

I know its not as glamorus as your rj and overnights in XNA but to each there own.

 

[jonjuan]

Tomcat:

I am the last on the list to be recalled so I DO SPEAK FOR THE NEWHIRES!!! At least the first 1,000 or so... Even if nothing changes not another pilot is hired to cover growth but just to backfill retirements, I will be half way up the seniority list by 2017. Yes ten years in the right seat seems like a long time but sorry to tell you there is not a major that you will upgrade "fast" now. If you want to upgrade fast by all means Airtran, Frontier, Jet Blue, Southwest. If you still want heavy jets and international your going to be swinging gear for a few years.

I know its not as glamorus as your rj and overnights in XNA but to each there own.

Ummmm, current CAL upgrades are projected at 3-4 years for newhires. Sorry to tell you. P.S., they fly heavy jets and do it internationally. You've been listening to el generalismo a little too much.

 

[larrivee]

Does anyone remember delta's minimums when they were hiring?

 

[tbkane]

ok so that is one that will MAYBE be 3-4 years.

 

[BCpilot81]

I do not have much experience in the airline industry (but I do have enough) to know that I should have not gotten into it. haha) But I think it is a step in a good direction with the recalling and current hiring/projected hiring at the nation's major airlines.

 

[sgu]

I'll be happy to be the Flap Operator for 10 years on the 757/767, 737-800! I'll sign up when the door opens again!

 

[737 Pylt]

Does anyone remember delta's minimums when they were hiring?

I'm not sure on total time, but I remember the 1000 PIC turbine being a "must have." In today's environment where the regionals were growing at such a rapid growth, I'm sure there'll be no shortage of qualified candidates.

737

 

[Tomct]

Tomcat:

I am the last on the list to be recalled so I DO SPEAK FOR THE NEWHIRES!!! At least the first 1,000 or so... Even if nothing changes not another pilot is hired to cover growth but just to backfill retirements, I will be half way up the seniority list by 2017. Yes ten years in the right seat seems like a long time but sorry to tell you there is not a major that you will upgrade "fast" now. If you want to upgrade fast by all means Airtran, Frontier, Jet Blue, Southwest. If you still want heavy jets and international your going to be swinging gear for a few years.

I know its not as glamorus as your rj and overnights in XNA but to each there own.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't your longevity follow you? So when you go back, it will be a much better pay check over someone just starting. SWA upgrade is running about 6-7 years...not that quick, have no desire to work at Airtran OR the Blue! I do know that Continental has VERY fast upgrades coming. According to a senior jumpseater, they are going to have 375-400 retiring a year for the next 6-7 years. With all of the airplanes that they are getting, you could possibly upgrade in less than two years. Take that for what it worth! Good luck at Big D!!

 

[DAL737FO]

Trying to predict upgrades at an airline is almost impossible. This industry is has ups and downs and it affects each airline differently. Delta was top of the heap in 2001 with the industry leading contract and upgrades to Captain at the Express operation at 18 months and NYC MD-88 mainline Captains at 4-5 years. Now in 2006 we are the goat. Not the bottom but we can see it from here. That's the one thing for sure if you're at the top there is only one way you can go. Everyone is predicting a large aircraft order with announcement of exiting BK. I hope they are right.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not sure on total time, but I remember the 1000 PIC turbine being a "must have." In today's environment where the regionals were growing at such a rapid growth, I'm sure there'll be no shortage of qualified candidates.

737

The TT was pretty low, if I remember right. Something like 1500-2000 TT, 1000 PIC turbine, and a 4-year degree.

 

[JimGlasair3]

The TT was pretty low, if I remember right. Something like 1500-2000 TT, 1000 PIC turbine, and a 4-year degree.

Had a buddy that was on the interview list at Bid D, just before everything ground to a halt. He told me, at the time, that 2000 PIC turbine was competetive. Might be lower for MIL folks. And, of course, the internal recommendations make a huge difference.

 

[satpak77]

wonder what the "upgrade time projection" was for TWA in 1994 or Pan Am in 1988?

my years might be off you my point is clear

FYI

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Trying to predict upgrades at an airline is almost impossible. This industry is has ups and downs and it affects each airline differently. Delta was top of the heap in 2001 with the industry leading contract and upgrades to Captain at the Express operation at 18 months and NYC MD-88 mainline Captains at 4-5 years. Now in 2006 we are the goat. Not the bottom but we can see it from here. That's the one thing for sure if you're at the top there is only one way you can go. Everyone is predicting a large aircraft order with announcement of exiting BK. I hope they are right.

In some ways Delta might be at the bottom, along with NWA, at this exact moment. But time goes on.

As soon Delta emerges I expect furloughed AA to seek interview. You'll see. There will be some of those guys in new hire classes post BK.

But I do believe the furloughed AA guys should have started already at CAL. That would have provided the best opportunity to make Captain in the next 6 years.

 

[800Dog]

I'm not sure on total time, but I remember the 1000 PIC turbine being a "must have." In today's environment where the regionals were growing at such a rapid growth, I'm sure there'll be no shortage of qualified candidates.

737

1000 PIC turbine was not required when I was hired in '99.

 

[FDJ2]

The TT was pretty low, if I remember right. Something like 1500-2000 TT, 1000 PIC turbine, and a 4-year degree.

FWIW, from what I remember seeing at the CPO the average new hire in 2001 was 35.5 years old and had 5,500 hours.