CRJ Guys turn

[snap145]

Ok weve done the ATR and the 145, and seeing as how im a loser and ive never flown the CRJ, but I think its a cool plane, I thought we should give the CRJ guys theyre turn...have at it fellas....how does she fly???

 

[SBD]

It's the only turbine I've ever flown so my opinion may hold no value. But I think it's a nice airplane. A little tight to get in, but it I like it. The -700 is suppose to correct all of the problems the -200 has. I've never flown or sat in the -700 so I couldn't really tell you. The -200 is great up to FL180 then it gets slow. I've talked to buddies who fly the ERJ and we comapre things. There is no FADEC on the CRJ 200. Also the plane wants to fly fast. The whole clean wing thing is the issue. It takes a lot to slow that airplane from 250 knots when in the approach phase of flight. Plan ahead to stay in front of the aircraft. I'm still relatively new on the aircraft so maybe some more seasoned vets might chime in. Overall I enjoy flying the aircraft for now.

 

[amcnd]

I have flown the E145,140,135 and the CRJ-200,700,900 I like the EMB145 over the CRJ 200, but would take the CRJ700 or 900 over all of them!

The CRJ 200 Needs FEDEC and larger engines. That would make it just fine.

 

[SuperPilot]

The 700 is great. More automation. More power. Could use a bigger flight deck. Sure beats the 200 though. And the cabin is better for the pax. More head room, more shoulder room. Windows you can actually see out of without having to lay your head in your lap. And the AC actually blows cold air out of the top of the cabin where it can do more that just refridgerate your feet.

 

[SLUF4]

The king air climbed better than this thing above FL230. That's my only complaint really-it doesn't perform like a jet up high. I also wish it had some leading edge devices, but it's fun to come in over the fence at 147 kts sometimes. I do like the control responsiveness.

 

[viper548]

-200
Pros
-Easy to get good landings consistantly
Cons
-Needs FADEC
-Needs more powerful engine
-awkward nose down approach
-Spend lots of time pulling and re-setting circut breakers (Spoilers Fault)

-700
pros
-Plenty of power.
-A/C works very well
-More Room in cabin
cons
-hard to get consistant landings
-problems with packs cycling on and off

 

[bayoubandit]

I have flown the E145,140,135 and the CRJ-200,700,900 I like the EMB145 over the CRJ 200, but would take the CRJ700 or 900 over all of them!

The CRJ 200 Needs FEDEC and larger engines. That would make it just fine.

I'll second that! I just wish they would make these things quieter. The ECS noise gets old, especially in the 700 and 900's.

 

[imacdog]

They are roomy inside and fly well with good avionics, only problem is they don't climb well at altitude.

 

[JohnnyP]

....

Ok weve done the ATR and the 145, and seeing as how im a loser and ive never flown the CRJ, but I think its a cool plane, I thought we should give the CRJ guys theyre turn...have at it fellas....how does she fly???

Good grief, why would anyone think the RJ is a "cool" airplane to fly. Get rid of these things (too bad that isnt even possible now).

 

[AWACoff]

They are cramped in the cockpit. The passengers hate them. They have no control feel whatsoever. It is the worst flying airplane I have flown in GA or the airlines. It does have the highest paycheck of any airplane I have flown so that is it's only plus. The air conditioning system is terrible. Auto mode automatically gives you full cold or full hot and that's about it.

 

[rightseatjocky]

highest paycheck for whom? Ask Skywest about that. LETS ALL FLY THE 70 AND 90 FOR 50 SEAT RATES.. HMM NOTTTTTTT

 

[AvroGuy]

The -700 is a good plane. It is a lot better performer than the -200. The 700 will climb just fine into the low thirties and if light just fine up to the mid thirties.

On the other hand I would prefer the Avro RJ85 over the CRJ. More room, more stable, better short field performance--not that you need that in the U.S. except for a few airports, Aspen-- Decent high alt performance. climbs good until the low to mid twenties. Plus it has four engines. That just makes it automaticaly cool. CAT 3A, Auto Land, Auto throttles. Avionics not up to par with the CRJ but still a great jet fly.

 

[dojetdriver]

The -700 is a good plane. It is a lot better performer than the -200. The 700 will climb just fine into the low thirties and if light just fine up to the mid thirties.

On the other hand I would prefer the Avro RJ85 over the CRJ. More room, more stable, better short field performance--not that you need that in the U.S. except for a few airports, Aspen-- Decent high alt performance. climbs good until the low to mid twenties. Plus it has four engines. That just makes it automaticaly cool. CAT 3A, Auto Land, Auto throttles. Avionics not up to par with the CRJ but still a great jet fly.

Know why the Avro has 4 engines? They couldn't fit 6. Ha ha, that joke still cracks me up.

 

["GO AROUND"]

-200
Pros
-Easy to get good landings consistantly
Cons
-Needs FADEC
-Needs more powerful engine
-awkward nose down approach
-Spend lots of time pulling and re-setting circut breakers (Spoilers Fault)

-700
pros
-Plenty of power.
-A/C works very well
-More Room in cabin
cons
-hard to get consistant landings
-problems with packs cycling on and off

The 200 needs a better wing like the 700. Excess thrust is not the only thing that makes an airplane a decent climber. I bet the 200 would be more like the 700 if it had the same wing as the 700.

My right hand is my FADEC and it works just fine in the 200.

I havn't had a spoiler fault in years. I guess they fixed that problem on our a/c.

It's not an awkward nosedown approach, its like most every other airplane with no leading edge devices and 45 degrees of flaps on approach.

 

["GO AROUND"]

They are cramped in the cockpit. The passengers hate them. They have no control feel whatsoever. It is the worst flying airplane I have flown in GA or the airlines. It does have the highest paycheck of any airplane I have flown so that is it's only plus. The air conditioning system is terrible. Auto mode automatically gives you full cold or full hot and that's about it.

I'm 6'3"/ 200 lbs and am not cramped in any way in the CRJ. Yeah there are a few that are bigger, but unless you are 6'5" and 300 lbs there is more than enough room. Unlike some others.

Worst flying you have flown? I think the pertinent words are "I have flown". It flys great with me. Might be operator induced on your part?

ECS makes great hot and cold air. The Hamilton Standard auto controller sucks and they screwed up where the air comes into the cabin but, there are few if any airplanes that keep everyone the right temp all the time. Again, might be operator induced.

 

[blueridge71]

The 200 is a pig. It is way underpowered.

The 700 is the nicest airplane that I have ever flown. I really didn't have any problems with landing it. I can only think of one or two that werent' decent. I didn't have any pack problems either.

VNAV would be nice, along with more room for bag stowage in the cockpit. I had to get rid of my DOJet flight bag because there wasn't enough room.

 

[SELCAL checks]

I was spoiled (and didn't know it) in the 604 before I got into the CRJ2. VNAV, 2 FMS heads, IRS (no EFIS COMP MON), decent power, cruised at .80 unless we were westbound across an ocean, held 20,000 in gas.

CRJ2 has the same engines, and a lower thrust schedule than the 604. Guess the regionals bought the super-extended warranty from GE. These engines are babied beyond belief, that's why the airplane doesn't climb worth a damn above 20,000. The Canadairs feel the same at 2,000 as they do at FL410 thanks to artificial feel and hydraulic PCUs. I hate that. It is what it is, a stripped down business jet stretched into a regional jet. No bells and whistles, but it's got great dispatch reliability and serves its intended purpose well in the fee for departure arena.

I started off with several years in a Boeing three-holer... now there's a sweet airplane.

 

[time builder]

Know why the Avro has 4 engines? They couldn't fit 6. Ha ha, that joke still cracks me up.

Ha, good one.
You know what BAe stands for?
Bring Another engine

 

[DrewBlows]

The 200 is a pig. It is way underpowered.

The 700 is the nicest airplane that I have ever flown. I really didn't have any problems with landing it. I can only think of one or two that werent' decent. I didn't have any pack problems either.

VNAV would be nice, along with more room for bag stowage in the cockpit. I had to get rid of my DOJet flight bag because there wasn't enough room.

I could have wrote this (hint: look at my aircraft flown). Decent landings aren't hard in the -700, the wide landing gear makes it very stable, but really good landings are few and far between, especially while light. The best landing I have ever had in the -700 was an over-weight landing following a return to airport. I think the "less than smooth" landings in the -700 are due to the rather stiff landing gear. Cross-wind landings always seem to be smoother, because only one gear is absorbing the entire weight of the airplane.

On another note... I found the Dornier very easy to make smooth landings, though you actually had to use cross-wind technique due to the narrow landing gear. I prided myself on touching down smooth enough that the spoilers would not automatically extend. Of course this was only to be attempted if there was no contamination (snow) as there were no thrust reversers to help slow down.

 

[JettBoii]

Hmmmmmm.....wish the 200 had a microwave. Wish ASA would clean those dirty flightdecks; good god some of those are so filthy! I thought there was a cleaning program in BTR?

Only jet I have ever flown. Just wish it had more power!

Like flying it empty; nice climb rate.

 

[propsarebest]

What?? Sorry, i can't hear you over the cooling fans...

 

[Caveman]

I liked it. Flew fine. Predictable. Comfy for it's class. It could take a beating. It's kind of like a pick-up truck. It's not fancy, but it's rugged and reliable. Real good airplane in my book. I enjoyed flying it.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Caveman has it right on this thing. Remember it really is optimized for leg lengths of 1-1.5 hrs, not the 3 hr legs mainline has us doing now. Engines are ultra-reliable, and handling is about as predictable as you can get ie..very good. Speed wise it'll dust the EMB135/145, and you actually have to FLY IT! 3000+ hrs in it and no complaints other than high alt (above fl250) performance. She gets up to speed OK, climb suffers if temp is ISA +10 or higher, that's all. And she can go above FL 250 in ALL weather, unlike the BAe 146.

Peace.

Rekks.

 

[pdub20s]

kind of a new guy here..but what is a FADEC exactly?

 

[inthewind]

kind of a new guy here..but what is a FADEC exactly?

Fully Automatic Digital Engine Control

I also flew the Dork Jet before flying the CRJ (ACA-Indy) I preferred the Dork's flight deck, automation and could grease that baby on but it sure sucked not having spoilers. The RJ was ok but I had more in-flight failures in a month and a half in that jet than I had in the Dork in two and a half years.

 

[flysafe]

Who Gives A ********************! No Wonder We Dont Get Paid Anything With Clowns Worried About How Rjs Fly Jeez!

 

[DrewBlows]

Who Gives A ********************! No Wonder We Dont Get Paid Anything With Clowns Worried About How Rjs Fly Jeez!

Who peed in your Cheerios? If you don't want to read a thread about how an airplane flys, don't click on it (and definately don't post on it). There are plenty of other threads extolling the virtues of paycuts, PFT, 90 seaters for 50 seat rates, and crappy management. If you have read all those and were looking for more of the same on this thread it might be time to hang up the old keyboard.

Congratulations, you have paid $10 yell at internet nerds.

 

[n757st]

Fully Automatic Digital Engine Control

I also flew the Dork Jet before flying the CRJ (ACA-Indy) I preferred the Dork's flight deck, automation and could grease that baby on but it sure sucked not having spoilers. The RJ was ok but I had more in-flight failures in a month and a half in that jet than I had in the Dork in two and a half years.

I think it really stands for full authority digital engine control.

 

[n757st]

I could have wrote this (hint: look at my aircraft flown). Decent landings aren't hard in the -700, the wide landing gear makes it very stable, but really good landings are few and far between, especially while light. The best landing I have ever had in the -700 was an over-weight landing following a return to airport. I think the "less than smooth" landings in the -700 are due to the rather stiff landing gear. Cross-wind landings always seem to be smoother, because only one gear is absorbing the entire weight of the airplane.

On another note... I found the Dornier very easy to make smooth landings, though you actually had to use cross-wind technique due to the narrow landing gear. I prided myself on touching down smooth enough that the spoilers would not automatically extend. Of course this was only to be attempted if there was no contamination (snow) as there were no thrust reversers to help slow down.

At least in the -200 the reason you get a better landing in a crosswind is the fact that only having 1 wieght on wheel signal means the GLD will not deploy.

 

[wings421]

I think it really stands for full authority digital engine control.

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