Ameriflight EMB 120 bases?

[skipro101]

Anyone know where their EMB120 bases are?...not on their website.



Thanks a million.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

The bases they are ASSIGNED to are ONT, DFW and CVG. All scheduled runs are outstation based; LBB, AMA, MAF, CHO & SMX.

 

[time builder]

Wasn't there one to SJC also?

 

[skipro101]

Thanks!

 

[Rogue5]

FWIW, SkyWest EMB-120 upgrade has been consistently running less that one year.

That is, if you in to the whole "self-loading cargo" thing...

 

[MMO 0.705]

FWIW you make second year Skywest pay first year at AMF on the EMB-120...some people actually cant afford to make more 17000 first year

 

[skipro101]

FWIW you make second year Skywest pay first year at AMF on the EMB-120...some people actually cant afford to make more 17000 first year

Exactly.

 

[Rogue5]

FWIW you make second year Skywest pay first year at AMF on the EMB-120...some people actually cant afford to make more 17000 first year

First year Captain pay on the EMB is $44.37 per hour.

Most junior award recently went to a guy with 7 months on property.

Again, I'm just throwing it out there...

 

[Bluto]

Some people can't afford to make more?...I'm confused... Anyway, maybe some Amflighters can chime in here, but I understand the EMB-120 Captains at Amflight are extremely senior and the FO's are recruited from within. (Incidentally, at least one of their FO's thought the grass was greener at SkyWest). Best of luck.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

Actually, we attempt to recruit EVERYTHING internally first, other than the PA31. That's just to be fair to the guys that are already here. If we can't fill a position internally, we go outside the company.

Regarding the guy who left for Skywest a couple years ago, a major portion of that decision (from what he told me) was to be able to move back to the Denver area. If he had stayed here, he would likely be a captain, making over $50K with the extra flights the Dallas E120 guys are flying.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

First year Captain pay on the EMB is $44.37 per hour.

Most junior award recently went to a guy with 7 months on property.

Again, I'm just throwing it out there...

Let's see. $44.37 at the guaranteed 80 hours for line is $3549.60 per month.

First year EMB Captain in AMF is $3613, if you don't fly any extra flights.

And how many hours did that junior award pilot have? If they're taking a guy at 1000 hours, flying him for 7 months and putting him in the left seat of the Bro, I would question the judgement of the higher ups making that decision.

 

[Rogue5]

I don't have a dog in this fight, so it really doesn't affect me. I'm just trying to help a few guys out making career decisions, so I'll take a shot here:

Let's see. $44.37 at the guaranteed 80 hours for line is $3549.60 per month.

AMF pilots get paid salary, right? Pilot compensation elsewhere (SKYW included) is far greater than hourly rate.

First year EMB Captain in AMF is $3613, if you don't fly any extra flights.

How many EMB captains at AMF have been with the company only one year?

And how many hours did that junior award pilot have? If they're taking a guy at 1000 hours, flying him for 7 months and putting him in the left seat of the Bro, I would question the judgment of the higher ups making that decision.

Agreed. Although SKYW hires pilots at 1000 hours, company requirements for upgrade are 2500 total and 1000 crew. Those seven month upgrades most likely had crew time from other airlines or cargo companies.

As always, "past performance is no guarantee of future returns," but the reason I've put out the info is that were hiring like crazy, our head of hiring sent out a memo asking for any pilot recommendations available and told us to tell them to expect extremely quick upgrade, and I was further told by a SIM instructor that they're expecting "massive growth in 2007."

In other words, it might be a good opportunity for anyone looking for a Bro gig out west, with RJ opportunities in the quick future should you be so inclined.

I also understand the desire to fly boxes rather than PAX (trust me, I KNOW), but if you want to fly a big brown or purple airplane, you may just have to bite the PAX bullet for a while...

 

[skipro101]

Yea, I have applications out to both companies (Skywest and AMF).


There are a lot of factors to consider, and you can make it look good for one side or the other.

Ultimately, I know that nothing is for sure.

The quick upgrade time at Skywest sounds very appealing, and I love their bases.

But, I am trying to be very careful about basing my decision on something that, historically, is extremely volatile (upgrade times). I know that by the time I am there for a year (to get 1000 crew), the upgrade times could change drastically.

I would be happy with either company, and have resumes out to both (and also Horizon).

All three (Skywest, Horizon, and Ameriflight) would be good for me, each in their own way.

[FONT=&quot]Thanks for the info and perspectives.[/FONT]

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

If you are looking specifically for crew airplane time, Skywest or Horizon are probably better choices just because of the fleet size. AMF only has 7 EMBs and 5 scheduled runs. One reason our most junior EMB captain has 2 1/2 yrs with the company.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I think you over estimate the importance of working for a regional. Most people in aviation know that if all of the planning, fuel orders, weight and balance, alternates, weather and everything else is done for you than any idiot can do the job. Not that regional pilots are idiots, but the job is so easy it doesn't help to build decision making.

 

[DirtyBeech]

I would say that 50k is WELL on the LOW side of what our E-120 captains are making. I made nearly that much last year as a lowly Metro reserve.

 

[Flyin Tony]

Im flying the Bro out of CHO with ameriflight. Its cake. Get to sleep at night and have all day at home to do whatever, And getting 3 hours of flying every night.

 

[SDCFI]

Im flying the Bro out of CHO with ameriflight. Its cake. Get to sleep at night and have all day at home to do whatever, And getting 3 hours of flying every night.

Just try not to spend all your money at the strip clubs with Bob. And how in the world do you sleep at night in the lovely Death Star pilot trailer recliners? Between the DC-9 runups and rumbling fuel trucks it's like being in the middle of a war zone.

 

[Torpid]

Not that regional pilots are idiots, but the job is so easy it doesn't help to build decision making.

EXACTLY!!! Thats why I left Amflight to come to Skywest over 7 years ago. As I get older, I want my life to get easier not harder. As for pay, it kills me when the Amflight guys throw out the "first year pay at SkyWest sucks...why would you ever leave for that." I agree, the first year did suck but I've never looked back. I may not be getting rich making 90k a year, but I would never had made that at Amflight. Oh I do miss sharing a room with another pilot in a seedy motel room in PHX where you rent the sheets by the hour.

 

[Hootie9750]

FWIW, SkyWest EMB-120 upgrade has been consistently running less that one year.

...

Thats if you want reserve in fresno.

 

[Hootie9750]

I would say that 50k is WELL on the LOW side of what our E-120 captains are making. I made nearly that much last year as a lowly Metro reserve.

Ive heard of urban legends of Brazilla captains making 80k....Im sure buff knows since he signs the time cards. Id be curious to know what the numbers are.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

EXACTLY!!! Thats why I left Amflight to come to Skywest over 7 years ago. As I get older, I want my life to get easier not harder. As for pay, it kills me when the Amflight guys throw out the "first year pay at SkyWest sucks...why would you ever leave for that." I agree, the first year did suck but I've never looked back. I may not be getting rich making 90k a year, but I would never had made that at Amflight. Oh I do miss sharing a room with another pilot in a seedy motel room in PHX where you rent the sheets by the hour.

I'm sorry this whole thing devolved into a "who's better" argument. I don't know anyone who has ever said that AMF is a career location. At least not for most. And for the guys who leave early because they want what the regionals have to offer, more power to them. Unless they don't give a d*m* about integrety and break an agreement to do it.

For the guys who want to stay around long enough to get the quality turbine time to go elsewhere, it's a good work environment, good bennies, decent pay and great experience.

My biggest beef with Skywest was from a few years ago when they were hiring guys and telling them they had to start within days or no deal. Forcing someone to shaft their current employer is a heck of a way to do business. And to their credit, my understanding is that doesn't happen anymore.

 

[Flyin Tony]

how in the world do you sleep at night in the lovely Death Star pilot trailer recliners

Thats not the only place I sleep :beer:

 

[MMO 0.705]

Torpid,

I can appreciate that second year pay gets better and if you can afford the first year it might be a better option for some guys. But, 7 years ago it was 1999. Totally different industry. Back then, I dont think anyone thought ameriflight was good experience. Upgrades were like 1 year across the board and the majors were hiring. If it could only be those days again ....

 

[Torpid]

Torpid,

I can appreciate that second year pay gets better and if you can afford the first year it might be a better option for some guys. But, 7 years ago it was 1999. Totally different industry. Back then, I dont think anyone thought ameriflight was good experience. Upgrades were like 1 year across the board and the majors were hiring. If it could only be those days again ....

You're absolutely right!! It was different back than. I can only throw out there how my life is better since I left. Yeah, it was great experience and there's no doubt that that Amflight helped me get my current job, but here's what I don't miss:

(UPS truck show up to plane in Tijuana)
me: How's it going?
UPS driver: Great. How much load can you carry?
me: How much you got?
UPS driver: How much can you carry??
me: HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE??
UPS driver: HOW MUCH CAN YOU CARRY???
me: (finally caving in) I can carry 1000lbs
UPS driver: Well I have 990 lbs (he says with a smile).

I also don't miss sweating my a$$ off in IPL, BFL, FAT, BLH and any other hot spot over 100 degrees, loading up a PA32, PA31 or BE99. At my current job, I can get away with wearing the same shirt and pants for a 4 day trip without stinking (at least no one has complained yet )

I made some great friends at Amflight (many of whom I work with now.) Also, anytime I fly with an FO who previously worked for Amflight, it's almost like a sigh of relief. I know that there going to be sharp......and they never complain.


BTW, upgrades are getting back to that one year mark at SkyWest and to add to the mix, all the Captains I talk to at United say they will probably start hiring off the street next year (add that to CO, SWA, Fedex and others). It's going to look like old times (minus the allure of the high pay major airline job with lots of days off!!)

 

[DirtyBeech]

You know, I'm no big fan of big Brown either, but the above conversation no longer takes place. It doesn't at my base anyway. A couple of years ago they started using electronic scales at the hubs, and either they show up with a weight breakdown at the outstation or we play count the boxes and they can explain the delay code.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Why do they still looked pissed when we tell them we have to know they weight of the cargo? It is not like it is the first time we have told them we have to know the weights!

 

[EatSleepFly]

In SLC they play this little game where they apparently expect you to guess the weight when the cans come out. Kind of like the, "guess how many pieces of candy are in the jar and win it" thing.

If you're not standing by the scale when they weigh it (you know, because you were screwing around getting ATIS, clearance, fuel, etc.), you have to track down a supervisor to get the weight, and a scale to get bay weights.

They were asked to put the weights on the cans, and today the cans came out with sticky notes that had the N-number and destination, but of course, no weight. :uzi:

 

[DirtyBeech]

Then somebody out there needs to man up and tell them no weight, no load. This isn't a g*dd**n truck you're throwing boxes in. It would only take them half a second to write the weight on there, so they should do it.

KSU,
take what you know of the drivers in general, and understand that that expression never really leaves.

 

[time builder]

In SLC they play this little game where they apparently expect you to guess the weight when the cans come out. Kind of like the, "guess how many pieces of candy are in the jar and win it" thing.

If you're not standing by the scale when they weigh it (you know, because you were screwing around getting ATIS, clearance, fuel, etc.), you have to track down a supervisor to get the weight, and a scale to get bay weights.

They were asked to put the weights on the cans, and today the cans came out with sticky notes that had the N-number and destination, but of course, no weight. :uzi:

I love the whole UPS/Integrated relationship there. BTW, how's that new hangar on the North Ramp coming in SLC?