757 Lands on Taxiway at EWR & Pilots Bolt

[igneousy2]

I guess two more pilot positions just became available at Continental airlines. Maybe the pilots became temporarily color blind. Remember, taxiway lights are blue and runway lights are white.

Sorry...all of you hard up for these guys jobs...ASAP program is going strong at Continental...

Max FAA will do = Administrative action <- sorry no suspensions/revocations likely. sole source? Would the FAA have known which plane it was had the pilot's not fessed up? FAA has been more interested in keeping their ASAP programs going than ending pilot careers. The company is usually the bigger worry.

Company = probably just some retraining...whatever the committee says they need to do. At least the Captain...if the FO was in fact on probation (one person here says pre 9/11 hire...the other says probationary FO) he may be terminated. In G. Bethune's book worse to first...he even talked about NOT firing a crew for doing a gear up landing because it was an honest mistake, they were following procedures up until that point, and they fessed up. All of these seem to be true in this incident.

No matter what really happened this was definetly not deliberate and from the posts from the guys that have been there...there is a long list of things that could have gone wrong to get them onto that taxiway. This will in all likelihood be covered under their ASAP program and ammount to little more than an extra training event or two or three for the crew --- as it should be.

No seniority number for you!

Later

 

[igneousy2]

of course...there is this big problem of all this over-blown media coverage enticing some mid-level, career minded manager at the FAA wanting some time in the spot-light....hopefully not.

Later

 

[densoo]

It's not a desk job. A hundred things can bite you on each and every flight.

Pilot error caused a B-1 LancerÊto land gear-up at a forward-deployed location May 8, according to an aircraft accident investigation report released Sept. 18.
The co-pilot suffered a minor back injury and the other three crew members were not injured. Damage totaled approximately $7.9 million for the aircraft and the damage to the runway totaled approximately $14,025.
The aircraft is assigned to the 9th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron of theÊ7th Bomb Wing at Dyess AFB, Texas.
Investigators concludedÊthe cause of the mishap was both pilots' failure to lower the landing gear during the aircraft's approach and landing. Contributing factors for the pilots' failure to lower the landing gear were the co-pilot's task oversaturation; the co-pilot's urgency to complete a long mission; both pilots' inattention to instrument readings and the descent/before landing checklist, and the co-pilot's false beliefÊthe pilot had lowered the landing gear.
According to the report, the pilot unexpectedly turned over aircraft control to the co-pilot on the final approach. The pilot reported to the air traffic control tower that the landing gear was down despite the fact that the descent/before landing checklist was never completed and the landing gear was never lowered. The red warning light in the gear handle, indicating all landing gear was not down and locked, was illuminated for more than four minutes during the approach.Ê Additionally, at the time the aircraft landed, the three green position lights, which illuminate after the landing gear has locked in the down position, were not illuminated.
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$...s/pacflyer/oct8-2006/On-59-b-1-pilots-at.html

On a cloudless morning in April of this year, a C-5B transport of the 436th Airlift Wing took off from Dover AFB in Delaware, bound for Ramstein Air Base in Germany on a routine supply mission. The C-5 is the United States Air Force’s largest transport; this one’s takeoff weight was 742,000 pounds, including a quarter-million pounds of fuel. Aboard were 17 people; the crew included three pilots and three flight engineers, collectively representing more than 26,000 hours and 92 years of C-5 flight experience.
Shortly after takeoff the crew observed an intermittent warning light for an unlocked thrust reverser on the number two engine, the inboard engine on the left side of the aircraft. An unlocked reverser is a potential hazard—there is a chance of unexpected deployment in flight—and so after due deliberation and cross-checks the crew secured the engine and turned back to Dover. They did not declare an emergency, but did request an expedited approach. They anticipated a routine landing, though at a higher than usual weight; they had, after all, three good engines and a perfectly functional aircraft. A few minutes later, the C-5 lay, a mangled wreck, a third of a mile short of the Dover runway.
http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=727&page_number=1

 

[CAL EWR B737]

This incident has been accepted into ASAP. The (ERC) Event Review Committee which includes company, union and FAA representatives meets next week. The FO was indeed on probation who has a strong background and good work history and will most likely keep his job. Enough said!

 

[AVDAD]

It's the FAAs fault, tricking those poor guys by putting the papi on the wrong side. All approaches should look the same at the business end of the runway.

Just an Old Mans opinion,

Avdad

 

[sleeves]

One more example of why this is not an easy job.

 

[Captain Overs]

It's the FAAs fault, tricking those poor guys by putting the papi on the wrong side. All approaches should look the same at the business end of the runway.

Just an Old Mans opinion,

Avdad

You're kidding right? Last time I checked you can look at the back of the airport diagram to see where the papi is located for a particular runway. That'd be a clue to me.

 

[big_al]

you guys want a real laugh? check out the a.net topic on this

 

[Fearless Tower]

you guys want a real laugh? check out the a.net topic on this

I'm afraid......VERY afraid!

I can only imagine the 'theories' over there!

 

[:-)]

I guess two more pilot positions just became available at Continental airlines. Maybe the pilots became temporarily color blind. Remember, taxiway lights are blue and runway lights are white.

Let me help you a little bit here buddy, when replying on a topic with over one page of replys, it helps to read the entire string before replying.