Polar Engineers to be Re-instated!!

[B-atch]

Just heard from one of our engineers that as a result of our recent arbitration award, ALL FE's are to be re-instated with full back pay, and insurance, due to their wrongful discharge. Stand-by for further NEWS!!

 

[flyinboxes]

Zee Germans will not like zat!

 

[OrionFE]

Right on!!

 

[big pimpn']

Great news !!!

 

[sgu]

Which airplane are they coming back to? Polar only has 4 747-400's right?

 

[Whale Rider]

Hopefully this is the turn around we've been waiting for!!!!:beer:

 

[heilhaavir]

Could just mean they'd come back to a "furloughed" status rather than "terminated" in which case they would get 4-6 months pay??? Anyone?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Apparantly the crew members won the "improper furlough" grievance. Will take a couple of days to find out the details.

Basically it involved the "illegal" per the contract furlouoghs while Atlas was flying Polar routes. (Large number of Polar flights done by Atlas currently)

If this is in fact the case, it would appear that furloughed (pilots) and fired (engineers) would be back on the payroll with back pay etc.

Could be interesting in the next few days. Even prior to the furloughs Polar did not have enough pilots and planes to cover all their flying. A bunch of routes kept being funneled to Atlas and most of the newhires were being sent to the Atlas side. Last count I saw was back around May and it amounted to 200 + flights a month, it has grown since then obviously with the parking and selling of the classics.

If this is the case and all Polar flying is required to be returned to Polar, they no longer have the airplanes to do it with.......unless they come from somewhere else.

Gonna be interesting to watch, where is my popcorn?

 

[furloughfodder]

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[Whale Rider]

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I second that FF.:beer:

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Conflicting info running around. Looks like it may only be the F/E's for now.

Lots of running around like chickens happening!

 

[cfire]

Could just mean they'd come back to a "furloughed" status rather than "terminated" in which case they would get 4-6 months pay??? Anyone?

My money is on your answer. I have a couple of small variations, but why bother since the info will be coming out soon.

 

[furloughfodder]

Conflicting info running around. Looks like it may only be the F/E's for now.

Lots of running around like chickens happening!

This particular arbitration was only regarding the wrongful termination of the F/E's. Had nothing to do with the furloughed pilots.

 

[CSY Mon]

So Polar has no more classics for the F/Es to come back to?

Atlas is still flying 3 seaters..?
Would the Polar F/Es go to the Atlas Classics then?

Just curious because several of the Polar guys got on with us, now they may be going back...Don't blame 'em.

Hope this will force my bosses to look at the pay and compensation package and perhaps up the numbers to keep people around.

 

[Classicdriver]

So Polar has no more classics for the F/Es to come back to?

Atlas is still flying 3 seaters..?
Would the Polar F/Es go to the Atlas Classics then?

Just curious because several of the Polar guys got on with us, now they may be going back...Don't blame 'em.

Hope this will force my bosses to look at the pay and compensation package and perhaps up the numbers to keep people around.

I don't think anyone knows whats going to happen. It's in negiotiations at this point. The good news is, management will finally realize they can't just do what they want, ignoring contracts, without paying a price. As a result, they are now talking to the Polar union reps about a fix, be it cash, training, jobs back, and airplane shifts.... noone knows. It can still end up in arbitration, where the arbitrators decides.

 

[heilhaavir]

My money is on your answer. I have a couple of small variations, but why bother since the info will be coming out soon.

U giving me too much credit Merc, I mean Cfire

To answer your question on another board, Not an FE, not @ TDX, and YES left PO before the (so predictable) storm :beer:

Don't let your vendetta blind you though. There are many surprises ahead for both pilot groups, not the most pleasant ones

Cheerios

 

[NWANFO]

This particular arbitration was only regarding the wrongful termination of the F/E's. Had nothing to do with the furloughed pilots.

Furloughfodder;

I believe you are mistaken. The word I have gotten is that Polar ALPA won the Alliance arbitration which effects both the pilots and FEs. The FE wrongful termination arbitration was cancelled due to the arbitrator's ruling on the Alliance arbitration.

I believe the company and the union have ten days to work out a deal.

 

[cfire]

U giving me too much credit Merc, I mean Cfire

To answer your question on another board, Not an FE, not @ TDX, and YES left PO before the (so predictable) storm :beer:

Don't let your vendetta blind you though. There are many surprises ahead for both pilot groups, not the most pleasant ones

Cheerios

I stand corrected. Is it now Focus?

As far as a vendetta, I'm only reacting to a vendetta.

 

[big_al]

wouldnt the classics be OK to have when flying for DHL?

 

[heilhaavir]

I stand corrected. Is it now Focus?

As far as a vendetta, I'm only reacting to a vendetta.

Exactly

 

[flyinboxes]

wouldnt the classics be OK to have when flying for DHL?

Yes. DHL prefers the crappiest, oldest ,most ineffective an inefficient lift they can get their hands on.

 

[furloughfodder]

Yes. DHL prefers the crappiest, oldest ,most ineffective an inefficient lift they can get their hands on.

Sounds like they should have bought Atlas.

 

[HAL]

I'm still curious to hear what (if any) effect this will have on the furloughed Polar pilots. Is there a chance they will be recalled?

HAL

 

[B-atch]

It is OFFICIAL that the arbitrator awarded the Polar pilots for our "outsourcing" grievance. This entitles that all affected parties (downgraded Captains, furloughed F/O"s, and fired F/E's) should be made Whole. negotiations are on-going, and the final restitution package has not been announced as of yet. It is my understanding that the furloughed F/O's are, or will be placed back on the payroll.

 

[Kruger Stellman]

Hey Shirley, Just wondering what Polar is going to do with their F/E’s if they have no 200’s to fly?

 

[B-atch]

Collect a paycheck and stay home.....A dream come true!!......Are you jealous??

 

[Whale Rider]

Hey Shirley, Just wondering what Polar is going to do with their F/E’s if they have no 200’s to fly?

The FE's are going to come back, get awarded all of thier back pay for this whole mess, then they will get a severance check and sent on thier way! What else can be done? The Classics are not coming back to Polar.

 

[Fliteidol]

I would hope that Mr Flynn, the board of directors, DHL and whoever is financing the 74-8 aircraft order are paying close attention! Without a doubt this airline (actually its an outfit!) is by far the most dysfunctional organisation I have ever seen. Management still have a few moves from the Frank Lorenzo play book they inherited, indeed they wrote a few plays of their own in the margins! The chickens born of these tactics are starting to come home to roost and some are carrying SARS!

 

[furloughfodder]

The chickens born of these tactics are starting to come home to roost and some are carrying SARS!

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huh?

 

[NWANFO]

....The chickens born of these tactics are starting to come home to roost and some are carrying SARS!

I was confused too!