FLOPS giving a bribe

[FR8DOG777]

WOOOHOOOO, just received an email from our fearful leader at FLOPS. I guess we pilots, and the entire company has been doing such a great job that we deserve a little bribe to keep these planes flying over peak season. Of course we will fall just shy of reaching the companies goal to slip us the other $750. I already seen and heard this song and dance before.

So since we have been doing such a great job and receiving 1/4 of the bribe now, I challenge every pilot out there to write up 3/4 more write ups than last month. Call in fatigue, and (or) sick 3/4 more often than last month. Do absolutely no overtime. Never answer your phone while in rest. If we can drop dispatch-ability just a few more percentage points we will start to earn some REAL money with our new contract. I can only hope that on these peak travel days we as a group come together enough to shut this place down, bring Shiatfinger to his knees, and make him beg for us to come to the bargaining table.

Guys and gals, lets "GET ER DONE"

 

[Freedom]

That says it all: This Holiday Season: STMFD!

WOOOHOOOO, just received an email from our fearful leader at FLOPS. I guess we pilots, and the entire company has been doing such a great job that we deserve a little bribe to keep these planes flying over peak season. Of course we will fall just shy of reaching the companies goal to slip us the other $750. I already seen and heard this song and dance before.

So since we have been doing such a great job and receiving 1/4 of the bribe now, I challenge every pilot out there to write up 3/4 more write ups than last month. Call in fatigue, and (or) sick 3/4 more often than last month. Do absolutely no overtime. Never answer your phone while in rest. If we can drop dispatch-ability just a few more percentage points we will start to earn some REAL money with our new contract. I can only hope that on these peak travel days we as a group come together enough to shut this place down, bring Shiatfinger to his knees, and make him beg for us to come to the bargaining table.

Guys and gals, lets "GET ER DONE"

Freedom is not Free.

 

[Random Flyer]

How is what you are proposing supposed to help anyone but the pilots. There are other people in that company you work for.
If you succeed in this, you are hurting your fellow employee at all facilities and creating a huge divide. I would think you would want as many allies as possible during this negotiating period.

 

[FR8DOG777]

How is what you are proposing supposed to help anyone but the pilots. There are other people in that company you work for.
If you succeed in this, you are hurting your fellow employee at all facilities and creating a huge divide. I would think you would want as many allies as possible during this negotiating period.

Well for starters when we get a killer benefit package, instead of the crap they are offering now, would most likely be available for all employees.
You are right it will divide us a bit.(OCC Vs. Pilots) But that isn't our fault. That is managements fault. I will lay blame on Management when things get real ugly, I'm sure most in the OCC will do the same. It is in management's hand on how this plays out. It will be up to them if they want things to improve around here. I'm doing my part in making this a better place. I would suggest the rest do the same including the OCC. They will be better off joining us as a team than to sit around and bitch about how the pilots are destroying the company.
The sooner everyone sees that management dealt us this crappy hand and we are just playing the cards we have the sooner improvements will happen for all, including the OCC. Maybe the OCC should "Get Organized", and while we are at it, the newly appointed FLOPS mechanics should too.

 

[netjetwife]

Low morale among pilots has negative repercussions throughout the company. The other employees should already be supporting the pilots as their case is clearly one of being paid less than the going rate for their skills and experience. When one group is successful it makes it easier for the next group to be heard in their demands for fairness.

The holiday season is a busy time and we all know that accidents are more likely when we rush to get things done in a short amount of time. That's a fact of life in aviation and non-aviation, alike. Just ask yourself what an accident would do for your company's reputation and ability to attract business.

Absolutely, during the times of peak demand the pilots need to be on guard to stop the domino affect that often leads to accidents. They should not push themselves to fly tired and/or sick as that reduces their reaction time. They should double-check for mx problems that might be over-looked in a packed schedule. As unpopular as it may be, the pilots have to hold the line on safety and make sure they don't fly unless they're 100% healthy and rested.

Bonuses should be given after the end of a safely flown busy season as a reward for a job well done. Many pilots look at money offered at the beginning of the season as a bribe to relax their standards to fly those extra flights and/or take shortcuts. I think it is predictable that a "bribe" will just be seen as a red flag to pilots that are determined to remain responsibly cautious when managers and pax are caught up in the hectic pace of the holidays.

 

[Random Flyer]

I agree, the crew members should be extra careful. But what Fr8dog was proposing was a challenge to write things up more things than last month.
YOU CAN'T FORCE WRITE UPS! If you do that than you are intentionally being a stickler and intentionally looking for things to "Break".

 

[FR8DOG777]

Nope

I agree, the crew members should be extra careful. But what Fr8dog was proposing was a challenge to write things up more things than last month.
YOU CAN'T FORCE WRITE UPS! If you do that than you are intentionally being a stickler and intentionally looking for things to "Break".

What I was proposing is that we all go out and do our jobs 3/4 better than last month. If it isn't broke you can't write it up. Duhhh. But like NJW said, who I will admit is a little more refined in her posts than I am, Be safe, take your time, and do the best job that you can. You owe that to your fellow pilots. If you are rushed or have a feeling of guilt, and thinking of not doing the right thing because of this "small token of appreciation" and screw something up, there might not be a company left for us to obtain that golden contract we deserve. As for being a "stickler" I call it being thorough. Doing the absolute best pre and post flight any professional pilot can do. Take no short cuts, and don't second guess any maintenance discrepancies no matter how trivial they may seem.

 

[Just Peachy]

Writeups.

I can tell you positively, absolutely..... we (the pilots) did not start getting results until we started writing everything up in sight instead of carrying the write-ups !!

Next biggest change in mgmts attitude happened when they realized we had developed the attitude of "were going to burn it to the ground " and leave............. yeah 'dats da ticket..yeah.

 

[FR8DOG777]

I can tell you positively, absolutely..... we (the pilots) did not start getting results until we started writing everything up in sight instead of carrying the write-ups !!

Next biggest change in mgmts attitude happened when they realized we had developed the attitude of "were going to burn it to the ground " and leave............. yeah 'dats da ticket..yeah.

I think we need to put the fire under the pilot's arses before we burn the building down. It is coming though.:laugh:

 

[jetwash]

A few years ago my job was the most important thing, now my ticket is the most important.

I will not do anything including carrying a write up to put it at risk.

I am prepared to sit 6 or 7 days out in the middle of nowhere in a dump, until the aircraft is fixed and I am not the only one.

I hope Flight Opts Management is aware of that!!!!

Have a SAFE Thanksgiving week!!!!!!!!!

 

[netjetwife]

And there you have it!... You see, RF, I have had all these same conversations before with NJ pilots. I understood the basic premise. Intended, or not, pressure builds during the busy season and the pilots have to remind themselves and one another to slow down and be extra safe. The pilots are ultimately responsible and can't afford to get caught up in the frenzy of the season.

People do get stuck in a rut and standards fall. Those who attempt to pull things back up are often faulted. It's too easy for managers to say "carry it" when they aren't the ones there when things go wrong.

Allow me to translate what happened in the NJ battle. Actually, it's a common principal in many negotiations. The side that cares the least--wins. Think of bargaining you may have done when selling a house or car. Price too low? Forget it, that's an insult. I'm not giving it away! I have too much invested in it. When that same logic was applied to their careers 93% of the NJ pilots voted to strike. When management realized the pilots cared so little for the offer that they would walk away from it, a realistic TA was forthcoming. That is what happened...in a more "refined" manner of speaking...

 

[Random Flyer]

In response to Just Peachy, exactly what results have you seen from writing things up?
From what I read, the gripes are the same as before the Union was voted in.
And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you would be in a worse situation if the company was "burnt to the ground". And if you think you wouldn't, then why not just leave now? Save yourself the headache right?

 

[dime line]

I know the plastic piece an o2 mask is worth 2500.00

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

You've got their balls squeeze harder. A payoff,bonus, or a bribe is a suckers bet. Wouldn't you give up the cash in your wallet to the mugger to save your jewlery? Screw the cash go for the Rolex. "Kick them in the a$$ so hard their mouth bleeds."

 

[Some guy]

I know the plastic piece an o2 mask is worth 2500.00

Not if it's broken!

 

[hydrarkt]

Looks like Random Flyer is a plant. Same MO and methodology as what happened when NJA pilots fought for their contract.

 

[brokeflyer]

You guys are never gonna make it unless you all get together. If the plane is broke, then write it up....period. Every airplane is broken it just depends on how hard you wanna look.

If your tired, then your tired........thats that.

Don't rush. speaks for its self....let dispatch explain why your didnt make the 15 min turn at teterboro.

Don't do ANYTHING unsafe for the company, your fellow crewmember or yourself.


Unless you all start to put the pressure on your never gonna get ahead, not to mention a contract that's worth a ********************.

 

[netjetwife]

.....And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you would be in a worse situation if the company was "burnt to the ground". And if you think you wouldn't, then why not just leave now? Save yourself the headache right?

It was merely a figure of speech some NJ pilots used to demonstrate their disgust with the disrespectful treatment they received from the company, and the pilots' resolve to do the company no more favors. Please consider yourself corrected.

The pilots are within their right to organize their collective efforts for improving the working conditions and negotiating a contract. Why fault them for that? I think that most pilots would be quite satisfied at their present place of employment if they had a fair/good contract. It is completely reasonable to expect professional pilots could afford to keep the job they enjoy. We all realize that the business must be financially viable, but it is wrong to balance the budget on the backs of the workforce. Pilots, likewise, must earn a living and should receive the going rate for their skills and responsibility.

 

[netjetwife]

Good post, Brokeflyer. To put it bluntly Options and Flex pilots: If you act like a doormat you get walked on. If you don't stand up to bullying, it just gets worse. Good news: There's safety in numbers, and the more you stand up for yourself the easier it gets. Eventually the "bully" gets the message that you can't be pushed around and you can begin a new relationship of working together to address areas of common concern. The latter is now the phase that the NJ pilots are entering. There's light at the end of the tunnel. Keep going!
NJW

 

[steel]

In response to Just Peachy, exactly what results have you seen from writing things up?

I don't know about Just Peachy, but when I wrote up discrepancies I was hoping to get the airplane fixed. Why? I wanted to ensure the safest environment for my customers on board.

If I were a flex pilot, then I would definitely want to BE SAFE THIS HOLIDAY SEASON! I would not listen to management types such as RF, who would hope one would "carry write-ups" to get the job done. Keep the operation safe. Don't fly fatigued, and don't fly a broken airplane.