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Well I am doing at least 159% less trips today than last year. By doing so it affects the owners and the company. My two biggest enemies.
The company, well they are the enemy for obvious reasons. The owners it may be a little more indirect. I feel that if I can disservice the owner and they get upset enough then they might cry to Shiatfinger and put pressure on him to settle a labor agreement with the pilots. Shiatfinger surely isn't listening to the pilots, maybe he will listen to the owners. Those are the people also paying Shiatfingers salary as well as the pilot's.

So owners here is a shout out to you(if you read this board). Plan on sitting around a long time waiting for that jet FLOPS promised you this holiday season. I hope your children are not as disappointed as mine this Christmas. Since its going to be tight around this house due to the pay cut we all just received. Have a safe flight on that cheap sub-par charter company they find for you to take your trip in that flogged out Lear.
 
jonjuan said:
LOL. I thought the same thing. Jetwash is only stealing from his owner. The comany will pass along the costs. Interesting to see what will happen when the savvy owner being flown at 290 peaks up into the cockpit and asks why? Does he have the nads to say, "because my health care is going up, you are going to pay."
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To quote one of our senior FLOPS pilots, "The best way to get a sheep herder's attention is to kill a few of his sheep."

'sides, the least of my worries is some passenger second guessing the way I'm flying. Anything you tell him will be taken out of context and used against you. So tell him nothing. Turn the seat belt light on and tell him to please observe it.
 
Traffic Saturation

jonjuan said:
LOL. I thought the same thing. Jetwash is only stealing from his owner. The comany will pass along the costs. Interesting to see what will happen when the savvy owner being flown at 290 peaks up into the cockpit and asks why? Does he have the nads to say, "because my health care is going up, you are going to pay."
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Due to upper flight levels traffic saturation, atc assigned FL290. Also, they requested maximum forward speed. :laugh:

HS
 
jonjuan said:
LOL. I thought the same thing. Jetwash is only stealing from his owner. The comany will pass along the costs. Interesting to see what will happen when the savvy owner being flown at 290 peaks up into the cockpit and asks why? Does he have the nads to say, "because my health care is going up, you are going to pay."
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Owners do not pay for the fuel on empty legs. Flops does.
 
netjetwife said:
To those few who have complained that I don't have a dog in this fight: Newsflash! I'm gonna adopt FR8DOG777....:p because he stands up for frac families and tells it like it is.

Prior to the new CBA the NJ wages qualified our son for the reduced price "poor" kid lunch at his public school and another FO in our area was feeding his kids with WIC . I'm sharing this with those of you who might be making the mistake of thinking that FR8 is just speaking metaphorically about stealing food out of his kids' mouths. When wages are so low that frac pilots have to use govt assistance to feed their children, your refusal to help the cause is keeping them from feeding their families on their own. That's all the same in the end...:mad:
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:0 Thanks NJW. With the current situation here at FLOPS I may need to be adopted. Or at least get some sort of sponsorship.
For just pennies a day you can help feed a FLOPS family. I will send you pictures and a profile of the FLOPS family you are sponsoring so you can share with your friends and family. So call today 866-505-1108. Send your money for FLOPS Family Sponsorship to IBT1108 630 Morrison RD. Ste. 110 Gahanna, OH 43230
 
Don't forget about getting you aircraft deiced as well.

Since I can't see the top of tail I will need to get it de-iced to be safe. The wings might look good but you can't be sure, so better to take the delay and de ice the tail.

As for fuel burns I know what the company pays and what the owners pay. I may not have stated it clearly, but the added costs will go to the proper account.
 
Random Flyer said:
None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?
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I will be able to say I didn't let MS drive down the entire fractional industry. You say "when" like you have knowledge of such activity transpiring at FLOPS. All companies cry poor and threaten to close the doors during negotiations. My attitude is " I was looking for a job when I found this one." If FLOPS doesn't pony up the bucks soon I hope they do go under for the sake of every professional pilot out there. It is like stomping out what seems to be an incurable disease. If it comes to that, then I have a few years of service put in with a crappy company to show for it. Either way I see it, I win. FLOPS going out of business, or getting the pay we deserve. Also remember that if FLOPS closes the doors each and every over paid manager will be out of work. They will also be the people Raytheon blames for such an event. I am going to say something that may seem real shocking to most. FLOPS will pay us what we deserve before they will ever close down shop. When they find that it is Cheaper to make peace with the pilots they will do it. They will do whatever it takes to stay in business to save their own jobs including pay the pilots. You sir/ma'am can spread your FUD to some unsuspecting Koolaid drinker.
 
The ability to hold you head high and say, "we didn't cave and end up like the airlines.... giving back and giving back till we work for peanuts with no self respect."

Looks like random flyer is the new familyguy.

Good luck with that. C u next tuesday.
 
Random Flyer said:
None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?
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An industry standard worth working for...you know, the months of your life in small metal tubes and hotel rooms.

Plus, only the Wall Street Journal Editorial page believes that pilot wages, not decades of mismanagement have ever caused an aviation organization to fail. Mike Sheeringa might have the distinction of causing three different outfits to fail, AmericaWest, Airways, and FLOPS. But its the pilot's fault. Right.

STFD. STFD. STFD.
 
Oh leave Random alone. He is just happy to be flying for a living. Would probably do it for (crew) food.

Anyways, the burn it down way of thinking is the only thing that got us a contract. But the rub is that you must mean it. If you are not serious about the very real posibility that your company may go under, you have already lost. We were dead serious.
 
RF, I did answer your question along the same lines as the others. The pilots will have self-respect and the admiration/gratitude of their peers in and outside of the frac industry. Just because it wasn't the answering you were looking for doesn't mean that it wasn't addressed.

If a company is so badly managed that it must rely on a large group of its employees to subsidize it, then obviously it is not fit to survive. Are you expecting Flt Ops to be allowed to pay less than the going rate for fuel, as well? Pilot salaries are a cost of doing business. Companies that can't afford to stay in business either fold or correct their mistakes. If Options can't make it on their own without the pilots carrying them then it's better for all concerned that the situation is revealed for what it is and Darwin's Theory runs its course. By making the company stop balancing the budget on the backs of the pilots they are forcing them to become a more efficient and responsible employer. That is in the best interest (long-term) of everyone involved. "Burn it down" is just a shortcut way of saying this. It's the pilots' way of telling the company to stand on their own and stop using the pilots as a crutch. NJW
 
Fozzy and Netjetwife. Good replies.

Many years ago, I used a maintenance facility in Shreveport, LA. The manager was a man named George Watson. I know a lot of pilots might remember him. He had a large sign in his office that said:

GETTING PAID IS PART OF DOING BUSINESS AND WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT DOING BUSINESS.

I don't recall that anyone was ever offended. They certainly didn't take their business elsewhere. FLOPS and some of the "me generation pilots" could learn a lesson from people like him.
 
Thanks, TH...:) I like that sign. It sounds like good advice to me.
 
Survival Of The Fittest

Random Flyer said:
None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?
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Like in nature, business is also survival of the fittest. There are many facets that comprise a fit company. One of them is employees that are happy with their company, feel that they are valued by the company, and that their work is appreciated by the company.

None of these sentiments are espoused by the vast majority of Flight Options Employees. The pilots started to express their dissatisfaction with Options management by voting for representation. Dissatisfaction with management is wide spread now and permeates the entire company. A Dispatcher told me following the huge pay cut we all took via our benefits cost increases, that there was not a person working in OCC that wasn't looking for another job. I would not be at all surprised to see the OCC and MX personnel start a union organization drive very soon. Without the whole hearted support and of it's employees Options will not survive.

Maybe this is what it will take for mother RTN to wake up and see what a moron they installed as CEO. RTN recognizing what Schreeinga has done to this company and the death spiral that he has put it in, is what needs to happen.
 
I agree! Walking beside your fellow pilots is surely more comfortable than being dragged into the brighter future the group has earned/deserves.
 
Random Flyer said:
None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?
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Look RF, I hope management at FLOPS gets their money back that they spent on your pitiful posting attempt. If you’re going to be a management mole, at least be good at it. I’m not sure if you’re a member of management, a consultant, an intern…it doesn’t really matter because your posts are completely transparent. The old saying goes ‘if something is worth doing, its worth doing well’ applies here. So on Monday morning when you stroll into the office, pour that cup of coffee, and log on to FI you should really give it your all. We all know you can do better, I mean come on…people pegged you in your first thread for Gods sake! I’m serious when I say that your efforts are not even worth entertainment value. It really is disappointing. Sigh…perhaps you’re not management material after all. :laugh:
 

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