Am I screwed?

rbrady · Oct 11, 2006

Got a DWI about 5 years ago. Is this an automatic disqualification from getting hired to fly professionally at a regional/major?

goahead · Oct 11, 2006

Come to ASA where we all have DUI's....... Or at least the one who hires you.

pilotnbr1 · Oct 11, 2006

Mesa would probably take you... I know of one guy they hired that had a dui on his record which he got in the year prior to his interview.

ackattacker · Oct 11, 2006

It is not an automatic disqualification anywhere. Be prepared to talk about it and try to turn it into a positive (learning experience etc). It's all about how you present it.

Northern Lights · Oct 11, 2006

It will probably make it tougher, but just don't lie about it, or try to cover it up.

AMANSWORLD · Oct 11, 2006

goahead said:
Come to ASA where we all have DUI's....... Or at least the one who hires you.

Tried getting a DUI tonight. Was hoping for a nice long layover in jail with a six month leave of absence from ASA. ASA SUCKS!!!! Do not come to work here.

VeeOne · Oct 11, 2006

AMANSWORLD said:
Tried getting a DUI tonight. Was hoping for a nice long layover in jail with a six month leave of absence from ASA. ASA SUCKS!!!! Do not come to work here.

If you think it's that bad- quit, and free up the slot for someone else........hey, are you senior to me by chance??? It isn't a hostage crisis. Go fly somewhere else then get back to me.....

gearjockey · Oct 12, 2006

I personally know four pilots who were hired at major airlines with ONE DUI conviction on their records. One was hired at UAL after his conviction and subsequently at Airtran after he was furloughed. BTW, don't let guys who "think" you're screwed determine your lot in life. They usually don't have any personal experience. When the time is right and you're ready to apply and interview, consult professional interview specialists as to the best strategy regarding this hopefully isolated and far removed situation. These circumstances are more common than you think. Remember, anyone who has drank and driven even once (all of you) has the chance for this to happen to them. Caveat: don't let it happen twice.
Then you really are screwed.

Huck · Oct 12, 2006

When I was an ASA newhire in '95 I had a classmate who got a DUI the first weekend of ground school....

rickair7777 · Oct 12, 2006

rbrady said:
Got a DWI about 5 years ago. Is this an automatic disqualification from getting hired to fly professionally at a regional/major?

5 years ago is just long enough that you can probably get hired somewhere. Be prepared to explain it, but be short and to the point, and don't try to blame anyone else for it.

If you were under 25, that will help and if you have a clean driving record since then, that will help too.

Note: If you get another one you really ARE screwed for life...

Jack Mehoff · Oct 12, 2006

At mesa the interviews are conducted during happy hour!

RUNWAYHOG · Oct 12, 2006

You'll get hired. Don't lose any sleep over it. If I were a bitting man, you'll have your choice of any where you want to go and be. Just be up front about it and you'll be flying the big iron.

climbhappy · Oct 12, 2006

I have a freind at southwest who got one 12 years ago. he's young.

I have heard of people trying to turn an UNSAT into a positive learning experience,

But I do not see how you turn a drinking binge into a learning experience except as to how you relate a cool new hangover remedy.

hey, drink plenty of water and pop a few tylenols before you crash!!

No Delay · Oct 12, 2006

DUI = not screwed

Working in the airline industry = screwed

Not putting down any particular airline...it's just a tough industry.

The_Russian · Oct 12, 2006

You SHOULDN'T get hired. Thanks for endangering the lives of others. Driving drunk is farging stupid. The fact that you guys are looking for ways to share a cockpit with this guy is lame. Peace out dude. I hope you don't kill my little sister one day after you leave the bar.

twott driver · Oct 12, 2006

shagging her on the other hand would be perfectly acceptible

imp:

The_Russian · Oct 12, 2006

Absolutely!

Way2Broke · Oct 12, 2006

According to "The Russian" people are not allowed to make mistakes in life. There are plenty of pilots out there with DUIs, just ask your local HIMMS coordinator and even a handful with multiple DUIs. If you get a second one (over half of all DUIs are repeat offenders) prepare to go to battle for your medical as the FAA will label you as having a substance abuse problem, even if they are 20 years apart. I am not condoning drinking and driving and never will, but there is a big difference in drinking and flying and drinking and driving.

pilotbrain · Oct 12, 2006

Way2Broke said:
According to "The Russian" people are not allowed to make mistakes in life. There are plenty of pilots out there with DUIs, just ask your local HIMMS coordinator and even a handful with multiple DUIs. If you get a second one (over half of all DUIs are repeat offenders) prepare to go to battle for your medical as the FAA will label you as having a substance abuse problem, even if they are 20 years apart. I am not condoning drinking and driving and never will, but there is a big difference in drinking and flying and drinking and driving.

Do like I do.....carry a bottle of Vodka in the car....when you get pulled over, step out of the car and when the officer approaches you...open it and start chugging.....it will just be public intoxication because they cant prove you didnt just start drinking.

The_Russian · Oct 12, 2006

According to "The Russian" people are not allowed to make mistakes in life. There are plenty of pilots out there with DUIs, just ask your local HIMMS coordinator and even a handful with multiple DUIs. If you get a second one (over half of all DUIs are repeat offenders) prepare to go to battle for your medical as the FAA will label you as having a substance abuse problem, even if they are 20 years apart. I am not condoning drinking and driving and never will, but there is a big difference in drinking and flying and drinking and driving.

I didn't say that people aren't allowed to make mistakes. We, as pilots, are not supposed to drink and drive. Please refer to 61.15. It may not be illegal or directly against the regs, but it is frowned upon by the FAA. It is also not in good moral character. I DO NOT drink and drive. I refrain from it to protect myself, others, and my career. And by the way, it is NOT "OK".

FN FAL · Oct 12, 2006

Way2Broke said:
If you get a second one (over half of all DUIs are repeat offenders)

ding ding ding ding ding...survey says no!

National Institute of Healt (NIH) said:
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/pa-files/PAS-99-023.html

Drunk driving recidivism rates are high: approximately one-third of drivers arrested or convicted of DWI each year are repeat offenders.

30West · Oct 12, 2006

Way2Broke said:
According to "The Russian" people are not allowed to make mistakes in life. There are plenty of pilots out there with DUIs, just ask your local HIMMS coordinator and even a handful with multiple DUIs. If you get a second one (over half of all DUIs are repeat offenders) prepare to go to battle for your medical as the FAA will label you as having a substance abuse problem, even if they are 20 years apart. I am not condoning drinking and driving and never will, but there is a big difference in drinking and flying and drinking and driving.

A DUI is not a "mistake". One doesn't "accidentally" get f'ed up and drive. I lost two good friends in high school to a drunk driver. They didn't get to decide, the drunk driver did it for them.
BTW it was his first DUI.

Your second DUI should be your last time behind ANY wheel, ever.

Way2Broke · Oct 12, 2006

The_Russian said:
I didn't say that people aren't allowed to make mistakes. We, as pilots, are not supposed to drink and drive. Please refer to 61.15. It may not be illegal or directly against the regs, but it is frowned upon by the FAA. It is also not in good moral character. I DO NOT drink and drive. I refrain from it to protect myself, others, and my career. And by the way, it is NOT "OK".

Where in my post did I say it was OK?

FN FAL · Oct 12, 2006

30West said:
A DUI is not a "mistake". One doesn't "accidentally" get f'ed up and drive.

Not according to the ethics and morals of some people who speak on this forum. According to them, if you did not intend for some outcome to occur, it is an "accident".

No one takes that first drink intending to take out a mini-van with a family of six in it on the way home from the bar.

And before you wind up the windmilly arms and froth at the mouth, I have lost friends to drunk driving "accidents" as well.

The truth of the matter is, A DUI ARREST and an ALCOHOL RELATED TRAFFIC COLLISION are two different things.

Way2Broke · Oct 12, 2006

30West said:
A DUI is not a "mistake". One doesn't "accidentally" get f'ed up and drive. I lost two good friends in high school to a drunk driver. They didn't get to decide, the drunk driver did it for them.
BTW it was his first DUI.

Your second DUI should be your last time behind ANY wheel, ever.

Oh and people get "f'ed up" and drive and kill people on purpose. That is why if you kill someone it is vehicular manslaughter, not vehicular homicide. I'm sorry for your friends, truely. But with today's standards in some states on what intoxicated is anyone can get a DUI. Ex: UTAH is .04! One beer for some people! Playing the BAC game is BS, the law should be .00. Zero tolerance. Setting a "limit" just sets people up to think that they are okay to drive. It has become a way for states to make money. If they actually cared wouldn't they have you do something besides give them money?

(o) (o) · Oct 12, 2006

VeeOne said:
If you think it's that bad- quit, and free up the slot for someone else........hey, are you senior to me by chance??? It isn't a hostage crisis. Go fly somewhere else then get back to me.....

Flightinfo is for bieeetching..if you don't like...please step away from the computer.

The_Russian · Oct 12, 2006

Where in my post did I say it was OK?

And where in my first post did I say that "people weren't allowed to make mistakes"?

FN FAL · Oct 12, 2006

Way2Broke said:
It has become a way for states to make money. If they actually cared wouldn't they have you do something besides give them money?

Actually, the state makes taxes off of you driving to and from the bar...the state makes taxes off of you taking that drink...the state makes money off of DUI revenues.

Did the state or municipality charge a fee when the building permit for the tavern was filed? What did the municipality say when they realized the building permit showed a parking lot for automobiles in the building plans? And they gave out a liquor license later? Ha...the state needs to get sued.

rickair7777 · Oct 12, 2006

Way2Broke said:
. Ex: UTAH is .04! One beer for some people!

This really got my attention since I'm based in UT!

It is wrong however... A little internet research shows the UT BAC limit is .08 like everywhere else.

FN FAL · Oct 12, 2006

rickair7777 said:
This really got my attention since I'm based in UT!

It is wrong however... A little internet research shows the UT BAC limit is .08 like everywhere else.

Those nastly little things called facts...hahhahahahaha.

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