Mesaba Court Ruling Part IV

[kmox29]

Any word on the results? I though the announcement was supposed to come down today at 1pm.

 

[W&BWiz]

Court convenes at 1pm.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Here comes the doom and gloom. Thank you george bush and all the other anti labor groups out there for putting me on poverty wages. Ding, let the bashing begin.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Did it happen?

 

[SEVEN]

It's 2pm central. No info yet?

 

[profit]

Rumor is decision delayed to monday

 

[EL10]

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[kmox29]

But I though Mesaba would DIE if concessions weren't imposed by the 15th? How could management lie? How could they?

 

[AvroJockey]

But I though Mesaba would DIE if concessions weren't imposed by the 15th? How could management lie? How could they?

LOL :laugh:

 

[Terry Hunter]

But I though Mesaba would DIE if concessions weren't imposed by the 15th? How could management lie? How could they?

Don't you just love those press conferences that announce that there is "nothing to announce".

Kmox, I'm with you on this one; Mesaba made it sooooo clear that if they didn't have 17.5-19.4% by Sunday, that they would roll up. So then I thought about that phrase, "an emergency on your part doesn't make one on my part"; So why would a judge feeled compelled to give a drop dead date at this point? Historically, they have either delayed a ruling (to allow more time for what should be used as legitimate negoitiation), or authorized the abrogation of contracts with some restriction (give 10 notice) which also would have been moot here.

 

[kmox29]

I'm not sure what's more disturbing...the sham that XJ management is trying to pull or reading quotes from Baghdad Beth (Costello).

 

[EL10]

Judge delays Mesaba ruling

Associated Press
Last update: October 12, 2006 – 3:02 PM

A bankruptcy judge is giving Mesaba Airlines and its unions a little more time to talk.


Judge Gregory Kishel had said he would rule today on Mesaba's request for permission to throw out its union contracts with pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics. But the union asked for a delay - and today the judge gave it to them.

Mesaba is a feeder carrier for Northwest Airlines. Both are reorganizing under bankruptcy protection.
The lawyer for Mesaba's creditors opposed the request. Attorneys say the creditors had planned to take some action on Monday if the unions didn't make a deal - but now those unspecified actions are on hold, too.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

But the union asked for a delay - and today the judge gave it to them.

I've seen it enough on Law and Order et al, to know that (if this was TV) the unions are asking for a plea bargain. . . f'ing great.

Come on, Jack, how about 2nd degree Involuntary Weak Contractism - 3.5 to life.

However, if the company said they would impose the last offer of 17.5%, then why are we negotiating? Unless the company has something else to say . . .

Soo verry phu king sick of this chit.

 

[avrorj-85]

Huh???????

The UNIONS asked for this delay????????????????????? I just want to get on with my life one way or another. If we are going to liquidate, lets go. If not, lets get the new aircraft and move on from this sham.

 

[gnx99]

The UNIONS asked for this delay?????????????????????

+1

Yeah, I don't get it. Why do I have the feeling the union is going to get a TA on the order of 15-17% Prove me wrong, PLEASE!!!

 

[mesaba2425]

The union sure talked big. They just lost any credibility that they had by asking for the delay.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Pleased to report . . .

We're pleased to report a delay?

I'm gonna try that next time I have a flight delayed:

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. I'm pleased to announce that we're delayed today due to weather. No, no, don't thank me, thank mother nature."

Who are they pleasing?!? Spin that shizzle, Tommy.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Isn't this what happened during the contract? Same players, same results.

-Spartacus

 

[SEVEN]

YPF.....what happens on Monday? A TA or Impose new term sheet, or liquidation?

 

[Whataboutbob]

+1

Yeah, I don't get it. Why do I have the feeling the union is going to get a TA on the order of 15-17% Prove me wrong, PLEASE!!!

Well 15-17% sucks, but if the union can reach a deal it will not be the 5.5 years that the company wants. Thats one of the advantages of a possible TA. I can't figure out if management wants XJ to liquidate or if they just want to draw out the drama a little longer......stay tuned

 

[Dodge]

My bet is that NWA/XJ wants XJ to liquidate. I have said it a hundred times. First year pay/benies for all Compass peeps compared to the extremetly high seniority throughout XJ. It is the same thing they do with the outstations. The operate as XJ for a few years, then shift enough flying to 9E to tell all the stations that they can be hired back as 9E employees with mass seniority loss. Rinse and repeat a few years down the road and switch em back to XJ.
PIA, MLI, APE, MLU, AEX to name a few.

 

[easydoesit]

Liquidation will never happen with XJ. Do you really think NWA would operate with only one regional for the next year while they are ramping up Compass? That would give way too much leverage to Pinnacle. Never gonna happen. That is not how they operate. They will drag this out to the 11th hour, I guess we are there now, a TA will pass by like 55% and XJ will get the CRJ900's. That is the only way his is going down. Mark my words and easy does it...

 

[XJ-spartacus]

What your saying is that the xj pilots will roll over in order to take delivery of new planes? I thought that was the purpose of our old contract. If they're already willing to take concessions to fly new aircraft, then Spanjiers is smarter than I thought. Threaten enough people long enough, and even lies will motivate the weak. I hope your wrong.

-Spartacus

 

[easydoesit]

I hope I am wrong also but that is my prediction. I did not say all of XJ will roll over. Only 50.00001%-55%. Just my prediction, but that is how I see it going down...I personaly will be voting no to any concessions, but I have heard from too many people who are willing to give the 15% offered by the union just to move on...

 

[redflyer65]

This whole time I have thought that the Mesaba pilots would stand firm against any concessions. But as time goes on and more and more pilots have either been furloughed or moved on to better places, the only ones that are left are the lifers. Unfortunately I think management may have played this like a fine violin. The lifers might just bite on something that the group earlier as a whole wouldn't have. I pray that I'm wrong and that those senior pilots have the will and fortitude to stand up to this garbage that XJ management is trying to ram down their throats. This is criminal.

 

[TAWS]

There's something to be said for just getting a reasonable deal and moving on.
Unfortunately, TW has painted all of you into a corner with his tough talk rhetoric! How's it going to feel when a crappy TA passes and you try and rationalize the choice you made when you voted yes. Mngt knows that even a crappy TA will pass by over 60%. They know you're a gritty group, but all of you can be worn down by consistently grim news, displacements and reduction in your quality of life. What's killing XJ is the senior Pilot and there are plenty of them.
Spanjers isn't the fool you make him out to be. He is the puppet of NWA and even if something is blatently a lie, he will tell it anyway and collect his bonus.
What will you collect for standing up to Big Red?? An unemployment check?
If you're going to talk strike, go ahead and strike, but don't talk tough, then lie down like a wet noodle at the 11th hour.
Remember: No job at all is better than a job not worth having!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

What will you collect for standing up to Big Red?? An unemployment check?
If you're going to talk strike, go ahead and strike, but don't talk tough, then lie down like a wet noodle at the 11th hour.
Remember: No job at all is better than a job not worth having!

In the past, NWA has issued discount coupons to taco bell. We believe that is fair compensation during difficult times.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Your only worth what you demand.

-Spartacus

 

[Mesabi Miner]

At least I can enjoy the weekend, eh?

 

[Whataboutbob]

Speaking from a furloughed XJ driver looking in I wouldn't blame the guys if a TA passes that is close to what management was demanding. Its not the average line pilots fault that ALPA doesn't have an answer to the race to the bottom. Not many want to be the guy that sacrifices their job for the good of the cause, just ask the United, Delta and NWA guys. Its a great concept we are all in one union but we are all working against each other competing for the work.