Nwa Recalls

[filejw]

Narrow body flying is more effected by rigs and duty. The wide body international flying normally has legs from 8 to 14 hrs so rigs don't come into play very often.Its always been this way but the new contract makes it worst.International pilots have added 1 or 2 days to their month and domestic 3 or 4.

 

[AnimalTale]

Narrow body flying is more effected by rigs and duty. The wide body international flying normally has legs from 8 to 14 hrs so rigs don't come into play very often.Its always been this way but the new contract makes it worst.International pilots have added 1 or 2 days to their month and domestic 3 or 4.

Thanks for the info.

If the statement you make is correct with the Rigs and such. Why would the majority of NWA pilots who are Narrowbody pilots vote for such a contract?

Again, did the NWA MEC make available to ALL pilots, the proposed contract?

If they did, then nobody should complain because they voted for the contract.

Cya

 

[filejw]

Everybody got to read the contract before they vote so...I guess they all just went for the MEC 's live to fight an other day theory.

 

[ExAF]

Obviously Can't Read

Everybody got to read the contract before they vote so...I guess they all just went for the MEC 's live to fight an other day theory.

My guess is not enough of them actually read it. I find it hard to believe that so many of them are so ignorant that they would have actually read that POS contract and still voted for it. I can actually buy the international airline voting for it because they had less (relatively) to lose and less impact on their QOL. They had retirement on the brain and I can see that as well. The over 50 group was too scared to vote no after hearing the MECs (mostly red book international airline) analysis of gloom and doom. After all who is willing to start over at anything if you are already over 50? When you add the international airline with the over 50 age group (a lot of overlap there), you have a Marjory. Now everyone is stuck with this POS for at least as long as the over 50 group is still on the property unless retirement age goes to 65. Very sad actually.

 

[filejw]

AF your a bit off on the international flying . Most the red guys were younger say 45 to 50 with 20/22 yrs of serves.The pension thing is really tilted by IRS rules and the guys with 25 plus yrs got the most as they had the most put in for them so to speak and there is just not that many of them. Certainly not the 64% that voted yes.
A good friend of mine had 20 yrs and I had 27 and he gets 1/3 of the frozen pension I get. I was getting more monthly for the final average earnings but not that much more.

 

[ExAF]

How So?

AF your a bit off on the international flying . Most the red guys were younger say 45 to 50 with 20/22 yrs of serves.The pension thing is really tilted by IRS rules and the guys with 25 plus yrs got the most as they had the most put in for them so to speak and there is just not that many of them. Certainly not the 64% that voted yes.
A good friend of mine had 20 yrs and I had 27 and he gets 1/3 of the frozen pension I get. I was getting more monthly for the final average earnings but not that much more.

So what's your point. How am I off? I addressed 2 groups. 1. International flyers. 2. Over 50 age group. I didn't say the over 50 crowd was Red book or international fliers were over 50. I said the over 50 group were too scared to vote no. I also said the international airline voted yes (no mention of book color or age). The international boys voted yes AND the over 50 crowd voted yes which must have equaled a majority. I feel pretty confident stating that is wasn't the bottom half of the seniority list that actually read the contract proposal that voted yes. The only thing I mentioned book color on was my mention that the gloom and doom road show was by mostly redbook international pilots. If I am incorrect in that statement, my apologies. Sounds to me like you voted yes and are proud of it. Good for you! So which are you...international airline or over 50?

 

[filejw]

The point is at 64% people from every part of the list voted yes cause more old guys like me voted no than you think!

 

[filejw]

BTW the ALPA hotline today shows about 20% accept recall.

 

[NuGuy]

BTW the ALPA hotline today shows about 20% accept recall.

Heyas,

It's actually closer to %15. They've had to go through OVER half the furlough list (450+) to get people in 3 months of classes. They sent out 120 recalls to fill 25 spots for DEC, and they will most likely have to send out another 120 to fill it.

Nu

 

[filejw]

They also figure everybody will be offered recall by Feb 07 and then the take it or leave it calls from the bottom up will start after that.

 

[pilotyip]

You can understand pilot being concerned about going back. We have an furloughed NWA pilot working for us, he was recalled in Mar of 05, and was back flying a DA-20 in Nov of 05. Lost about 12 numbers, not that that means that much on our list, for a short stay at NWA.

 

[ExAF]

My Apologies

The point is at 64% people from every part of the list voted yes cause more old guys like me voted no than you think!

If you voted no I offer my humble apology. As for 64% across the board, I don't think there was a single 9 or bus FO that voted yes, so the 64% is across some other board me thinks.

 

[NuGuy]

If you voted no I offer my humble apology. As for 64% across the board, I don't think there was a single 9 or bus FO that voted yes, so the 64% is across some other board me thinks.

Heyas AF,

The senior guys are generally divided into three camps.

The vote no guys, who are really stand up type people. These pilots are typically quite vocal about their displeasure, and are probably why we have as many reasonable LEC reps as we do (still not enough!). My guess is that they are centered around DTW, with some in ANC.

Then there are vote yes guys who realized they screwed the mid and junior folk, but are nice enough to stop flapping their yap. They realize that they have gotten the proverbial golden parachute, so they've buttoned their pie hole and will take the money and run without trying to make things more miserable than they already are.

THEN there are the asshats that led the fear mongering once they saw the no vote might have a chance of pulling off a coup. But even once their pension was reasonably secure, and had an agreement that they don't really have to live with all that long, they couldn't leave it at that, but had to plunder the DC for another 5% that they aren't entitled to AND grab the lions share of any equity/bonus distribution. On top of that, they start trying to recall anyone on the MEC who has a mind of their own, and isn't part of the MSP Borg collective.

These are the same brainiacs who go off about how lucky the junior pilots are to have a job and can't understand why the recall acceptance rate hovers around %15.


Nu

 

[LaidOffAgain]

hey

How low did the recall go for the class at the end of this year?? What was the date of hire? A buddy passed it up and he was a Sept 99 hire. Did it go all the way down to the 2000 hires?? Thx LOA(no longer laid off) : )

 

[NuGuy]

How low did the recall go for the class at the end of this year?? What was the date of hire? A buddy passed it up and he was a Sept 99 hire. Did it go all the way down to the 2000 hires?? Thx LOA(no longer laid off) : )

They don't know. The letters just went out for the DEC class. 119 for 25 spots. If the last two months are any indication, they will have to follow up with another batch of "short notice" recalls.

I think this last batch is late December 99. They are more than halfway downt the list.

Nu

 

[filejw]

Hell, even if you were out of work who would come back during the holidays. One you will be working every Xmas for the next few yrs anyway and two having your check ride scheduled for Dec sucks.

 

[titans10]

They also figure everybody will be offered recall by Feb 07 and then the take it or leave it calls from the bottom up will start after that.

I thought the nwa guys could bypass as long as they want. JUst as long as a junior guy is still furloughed.

 

[mynameisjim]

I thought the nwa guys could bypass as long as they want. JUst as long as a junior guy is still furloughed.

That's what he means by that. They are estimating that bypassing will no longer be an option anymore after approx. Feb 07. In reverse seniority order.

 

[filejw]

"These are the same brainiacs who go off about how lucky the junior pilots are to have a job and can't understand why the recall acceptance rate hovers around %15."

Just got off the phone with a buddy on the 320. His complaints make me shudder to think what the 9 trips look like. 18 days a month to fly 88 hrs is way to much. What management is needs to know is people may put up with 88 hrs but they want to work only 12/14 days at most.Thats what the rigs are for as guys want to be more efficient with days worked.

 

[NuGuy]

"These are the same brainiacs who go off about how lucky the junior pilots are to have a job and can't understand why the recall acceptance rate hovers around %15."

Just got off the phone with a buddy on the 320. His complaints make me shudder to think what the 9 trips look like. 18 days a month to fly 88 hrs is way to much. What management is needs to know is people may put up with 88 hrs but they want to work only 12/14 days at most.Thats what the rigs are for as guys want to be more efficient with days worked.

Agreed. Word is that sick calls are through the roof, and managament is already warming up the "abuse of sick leave" speech.

There is no way that 88/94 hour months are sustainable with 12 days off. Guys are going to burn out left and right.

Even with the retarded 75% sick call pay, guys are just saying "fck it" and taking the hit. For pilots to walk away from money because the job sucks is very telling indeed. Of course the senior guys don't give a rat's ass, because all this means for them is working maybe one more day, and alot of those guys are HIT lovers anyway.

You know it's pretty bad when you basically have to "junior man" pilots to come off of furlough back to a major. Sad....

Nu