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pave driver said:
The merger will still go through. Torrow Lane will approve the merger. This will not go to court and will be settled out of court by divesting routes from DCA. Hostilities and posturing from DOJ and Parker caused this to escallate. Parker tried to give up no slots that would cause price destabilization. Politicians in DC want to keep fares low for their minions an make a stand to show the public how they are looking out for the little guys but in reality hurt those very same low paying jobs. Morons - Holder and others have no clue about buisness and the huge impact from all the people they harm. What a cluster.

The merger will procede and tomorrow the court WILL approve the merger. The DOJ can't unillaterally stop a merger and is a misnomer. This will all be settled by year's end.
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I hope you're right, but was the POR submitted today?

I thought the judge was expected to take two weeks to review the POR?


Bringupthebird said:
Just because the pilots have not been integrated doesn't mean the east and west can be split up. The rest of the airline has been merged. There is no unscrambling this egg, regardless of what USAPA would like you to believe.
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With out this merger the AOL Nic case will not have a hope of being ripe in the near future.
 
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My advice to the US and American pilots is to stand up with your management and fight this. They are in the wrong and from what I've read and seen the DOJ has a poor case. As a registered Democrat I find this disturbing. The DOJ is controlled by the president, pretty much, and i view this as anti-middle class and anti-union. This and some other things that have happened, unrelated to aviation, in the courts are making me regret who I voted for.
 
What's really shocking is that neither AMR or LCC actually have a plan other than to merge! It is their responsibility to ensure that they have a viable standalone plan and as of right now, everyone expected this merger to happen. It will be interesting to see just how badly the executive management fights to get their severance package approved, which can only happen once the merger is done. Never stand in between a man and his 20 million dollar payout.
 
Deadalus said:
My advice to the US and American pilots is to stand up with your management and fight this. They are in the wrong and from what I've read and seen the DOJ has a poor case. As a registered Democrat I find this disturbing. The DOJ is controlled by the president, pretty much, and i view this as anti-middle class and anti-union. This and some other things that have happened, unrelated to aviation, in the courts are making me regret who I voted for.
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The DOJ is correct. Look at Delta and NWA, with their hyped up "this merger is good for everybody! jobs will be secured, no hubs will be cut" mantra. Memphis gone, Cincy mostly the same. If US Air and AA is approved, you can bet between PHL, CLT, or PHX, one of those will be chopped. There will be capacity cuts as the airline right-sizes itself. Long term, it will mean less jobs overall, less service to cities, and therefore less options for consumers. This merger doesn't make sense, nor did US Airways and Delta when Parker pushed his last dream that failed.
 
Flyer1015 said:
What's really shocking is that neither AMR or LCC actually have a plan other than to merge! It is their responsibility to ensure that they have a viable standalone plan and as of right now, everyone expected this merger to happen. It will be interesting to see just how badly the executive management fights to get their severance package approved, which can only happen once the merger is done. Never stand in between a man and his 20 million dollar payout.
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"There is no Plan B....."

Let's see, where have we heard that before?
 
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Bringupthebird said:
Just because the pilots have not been integrated doesn't mean the east and west can be split up. The rest of the airline has been merged. There is no unscrambling this egg, regardless of what USAPA would like you to believe.
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Why are you afraid of being split? The West saved the East and considers the East a heavy boat anchor... The West should be begging to be split off. This is your chance at freedom from the ball and chain that holds you back from your full potential.

This is your best chance at greatness. Make a break for it and prove to everyone that PHX cannot be held back.
 
Deadalus said:
My advice to the US and American pilots is to stand up with your management and fight this. They are in the wrong and from what I've read and seen the DOJ has a poor case. As a registered Democrat I find this disturbing. The DOJ is controlled by the president, pretty much, and i view this as anti-middle class and anti-union. This and some other things that have happened, unrelated to aviation, in the courts are making me regret who I voted for.
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Welcome to the club! First it's Obamacare to wreck healthcare, then it's no pipeline to help the Cannucks un landlock their oil, then it's using tax dollars to build a us preclearance facility in Abu Dhabi to Ethiad's benefit..... It's been a long slog for us aviation the since 2008.
 
Flyer1015 said:
The DOJ is correct. Look at Delta and NWA, with their hyped up "this merger is good for everybody! jobs will be secured, no hubs will be cut" mantra. Memphis gone, Cincy mostly the same. If US Air and AA is approved, you can bet between PHL, CLT, or PHX, one of those will be chopped. There will be capacity cuts as the airline right-sizes itself. Long term, it will mean less jobs overall, less service to cities, and therefore less options for consumers. This merger doesn't make sense, nor did US Airways and Delta when Parker pushed his last dream that failed.
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Good post
 
Full of LUV said:
Welcome to the club! First it's Obamacare to wreck healthcare, then it's no pipeline to help the Cannucks un landlock their oil, then it's using tax dollars to build a us preclearance facility in Abu Dhabi to Ethiad's benefit..... It's been a long slog for us aviation the since 2008.
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I believe everyone should have access to good healthcare, but I wasn't a fan of how they did it.
 
Flyer1015 said:
The DOJ is correct. Look at Delta and NWA, with their hyped up "this merger is good for everybody! jobs will be secured, no hubs will be cut" mantra. Memphis gone, Cincy mostly the same. If US Air and AA is approved, you can bet between PHL, CLT, or PHX, one of those will be chopped. There will be capacity cuts as the airline right-sizes itself. Long term, it will mean less jobs overall, less service to cities, and therefore less options for consumers. This merger doesn't make sense, nor did US Airways and Delta when Parker pushed his last dream that failed.
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I'm a little out of touch with the goings on in the airline industry, but.........
Nothing you just posted falls under what the DOJ is supposed to be looking at.
 
Deadalus said:
I believe everyone should have access to good healthcare, but I wasn't a fan of how they did it.
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15 million people didnt have healthcare before Obamacare and 10 million will still not have access to health care AFTER Obamacare. All the while it cost us $3 Trillion and caused an increase in taxes. TOTAL FAIL.
 
JadedViking said:
15 million people didnt have healthcare before Obamacare and 10 million will still not have access to health care AFTER Obamacare. All the while it cost us $3 Trillion and caused an increase in taxes. TOTAL FAIL.
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I think it falls under epic fail.
 
Flyer1015 said:
The DOJ is correct. Look at Delta and NWA, with their hyped up "this merger is good for everybody! jobs will be secured, no hubs will be cut" mantra. Memphis gone, Cincy mostly the same. If US Air and AA is approved, you can bet between PHL, CLT, or PHX, one of those will be chopped. There will be capacity cuts as the airline right-sizes itself. Long term, it will mean less jobs overall, less service to cities, and therefore less options for consumers. This merger doesn't make sense, nor did US Airways and Delta when Parker pushed his last dream that failed.
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SAABaroowski said:
Good post
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Ahhhhhh, good old Flightinfo. Morons high fiving idiots.
 
I made a prediction a while back that someday these merged airlines would be broken up. I didn't think it would be this quick, but that's the next step IMO. If this one gets blocked the outcry that follows will be break up DAL and UAL. (just like the Bells)

Remember 2000 when the average Congress member was saying "have you seen those salaries?" This isn't much different. These merged airlines will make money, and that is something this Country will not tolerate. Except one. And Uncle Sam will make sure they are profitable.
 
Hpilot said:
Ahhhhhh, good old Flightinfo. Morons high fiving idiots.
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You may be right, but may I suggest a little more diplomacy. Unintelligent people rarely react well to having it pointed out that they are in fact.........stupid.
 
OldManPilot said:
Just a stab in the dark here. Could the Texas side of it have anything to do with a little payback for "The Wright Amendment"?
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Maybe, or you could google Jim Wright and see if that makes any sense?
 
AA should....buy the mess, merge the west, sell the East to Mesa, Pakistan, whoever...
 
The Feds want DCA slots to be given up, but the politicians want whoever gets them to keep service to small cities, which is what Parker said wold be first to go. I also have no doubt UA and DL greased palms in attempt to stifle a double TATL threat from a PHL/JFK combo.

The various states are for the most part AA or US strongholds and they want a promise that their interests will remain status qou or that the get a huge check from Dougie to make up lost tax revenue.
 
PGTB said:
He said NO, at least not yet
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I figured he'd have to postpone this until something could be resolved.

The more I look into the DOJ suit the more holes are poked into it. It's looking more and more like they filed this lawsuit when they did because they were running up against the clock. That is why so many people are scratching their heads as to their reasoning.

Also Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly the judge that will hear this case ruled in favor of Microsoft in their trial back in 2001. Reading her profile she seems like a straight to the point judge that will not drag this out long and she will expect certain things from the Doj which I don't think they will be able to provide.

In all likelihood this probably won't even head to trial. I expect a settlement before the end of September. This is either the biggest game of chicken or the doj has been taken over by some idiots.

I think now that the shell shock has worn off from the filing more and more people are analyzing this suit.
 
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cbrown1 said:
IThis is either the biggest game of chicken or the doj has been taken over by some idiots.
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Of course it has! It's run by Eric Holder.


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I think there will be an agreement. Make sure to buy LCC before it goes through and make some $$$. Just make sure you put in a stop :) in case there is no agreement.
 

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