Your Flying Job Is Next!!

[propilot]

What you don't know might actually hurt you...

I for one am not worried. Just stroll by any flight school that trains Chinese, Indian, whatever pilots and you will see that they are for the most part sub-par.


Ignorance is bliss...Having instructed at one of these places, I can tell you that the training they undertake is harder than anything you did to earn your PPL. Their first aircraft was an A36, their second aircraft and first twin was a B58. They had over 120 callouts and checklist items before they were on the runway...all verbatim. Airline trained from the beginning. At 200 - 250 hours, these guys are headed to 747 ground school...

 

[g-code]

You are assuming that the Mexican pilot's union has more influence over its government than Alpa has over ours. IMO the Mexican government will never miss out on an opportunity to export labor to the US.

They do. Pilots in Mexico make VERY good money. Not only that, but their pilots must join the union before they even go to an airline.

Mexican airlines are losing money right now as well. They are not stupid, and they do not want US airlines coming in to fly their domestic routes because they know they would be destroyed.

As for the Chinese, I work at a flight school that trains them and I agree about going from here at 200-250 hours to an airbus or boeing groundschool class. With that being said, some are very good pilots, while the others (at least half) make aweful command decisions, have busted checkrides because their English is so bad, have gotten us more than 2 or 3 calls from the tower, can't fly a traffic pattern, and overall could not fly in the US on a regular basis.

 

[BOOZENEWS]

Another sell-out of the American Worker

Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and read this:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/...s=dgo&psp=news


If I was filthy rich, I would open a flight school in Bangalore, India and train a ***tload of pilots at 10 cents on the dollar.

Hell, I might even call all the airline CEOs to pitch in. (Anyone have Arpey's number? Or that clown from Skybus?)

Imagine: A state-of-the-art pilot training center in Bangalore or Mumbai...with extremely motivated, intelligent, college-educated flight students getting type-rated on 737s, 757s, EMBs...you name it. We could churn out pilots by the THOUSANDS!

Those "GRADUATES" would just love to come over here and fly for 25k/year.

That's your future, boys and girls. Don't like it? Tough ****! You won't get off your lazy, collective a$$es and do something about it.

I know, I know. You pay your dues to SWAPA, ALPA, APA, Teamsters, NPA, etc. Sure, that's enough.

You're probably just gonna sit there and take it and make fun of all the Teamsters truck drivers who are losing their pay & livelyhood. After all....they're only dumb truck drivers. Anyone can drive a truck. You're special:

You are a highly-trained AVIATOR. Your job can't be outsourced. LOL.

I would lobby Congress to exploit the upcoming "pilot shortage". I would have all my minions in the news media force-feeding the idea that american pilots are overpaid and underworked prima-donnas.

"Hey, John Q. Public: Your airfare is waayy too high. It's because the average pilot makes $185,000 per year. AND THEY ONLY WORK 85 HOURS PER MONTH! Pass this law, and your airfare gets lower!"

THEN, I would be able to pass a law to allow those Indian-trained pilots to fly for all the US carriers under some bull**** 'special dispensation' clause.

It will all be sold to the gullible American public because it is good for the consumer.

If I can think of this plan, you know some Frank Lorenzo/Johnathan Ornstein-type is already working on it...and I'm just a dumba$$ pilot.

Why am I going off on this? Because you guys need to wake the ***k up! Some of us already have.

HAVE YOU?

Get off your collective a$$es and do something. Get involved. ****t, run for office. ANYTHING. Stop being a blind, helpless lemming letting the corporate henchmen, politicians, lawyers and the corporation-controlled media take you, me and the middle class for a ride.

Red state vs Blue state....D vs R...it's all BULL**** POSTURING. Divide and Conquer. Oldest trick in the book.

AMERICANS: WAKE THE **LL UP!

Since it is the 9th circut, they probably will rule in favor of the teamsters.

 

[Max Powers]

Actually, this wiil ensure the american worker wakes up. As soon as some of those cheaper goods start putting folks out of business, as soon as some of those cheaper trucks and cheaper drivers start killing families by the van full, then the public will wake-up.

I have awakened.

I am no longer buying clothes from China, like anything from Columbia (which used to be 100% USA made).

Remember when Walmart sold 100% USA?

I don't shop Walmart anymore.

Small steps folks, take it back.

Wal-Mart never sold 100% American goods...Never not even in their first store. That was corporate propaganda that folks like yourself believed. And the lady that sued Mcdonalds for millions for having hot coffee spilled on her only got 410,000 and she will never be able to run, enjoy sex or sit normally again. After her attorney fees she gets probably half of the 410,000. But according to fox news people are suing left and right and become millionaires. The individual in this country is losing its rights to the corporation. And fools like scoreboard believe in the sham.

 

[400pilot]

And the lady that sued Mcdonalds for millions for having hot coffee spilled on her only got 410,000 and she will never be able to run, enjoy sex or sit normally again.

And that's McDonald's fault??? News flash....coffee is hot....don't spill it in your lap.

 

[GogglesPisano]

And that's McDonald's fault??? News flash....coffee is hot....don't spill it in your lap.

It's not that simple. There's a difference between "hot" and "excessively (as in needlessly boiling) hot." In any event, her lawyers were able to convince a jury of her peers of this distinction.

 

[400pilot]

Yes, it is that simple. She spilled it on herself. She was the one responsible. I have drank many a coffee from many different places that would have burned the heck out of me if I had spilled it on myself. I was careful and didn't.

As far as a jury, that doesn't surprise me at all. They probably felt sorry for her. Besides, who cares? McDonalds (or their insurance) can afford it. That attitude is the problem....

JMHO.....

 

[GogglesPisano]

Yes, it is that simple. She spilled it on herself. She was the one responsible. I have drank many a coffee from many different places that would have burned the heck out of me if I had spilled it on myself. I was careful and didn't.

As far as a jury, that doesn't surprise me at all. They probably felt sorry for her. Besides, who cares? McDonalds (or their insurance) can afford it. That attitude is the problem....

JMHO.....

She was certainly 100% responsible for spilling coffee on herself. McDonald's was 100% responsible for the coffee being scalding (as in burn your lips and throat) hot. The jury decides the percentage of responsibility for the injuries - just like in a car accident. The driver is responsible for crashing the Pinto, but the manufacturer is responsible for building a fuel tank that exlodes much more easily than in similar cars.

One benefit of all this is that when I buy a McDonald's coffee (which hasn't been in years) I don't have to wait 30 minutes for it to cool to a non-blistering temp.:crying:

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Wal-Mart never sold 100% American goods...Never not even in their first store. That was corporate propaganda that folks like yourself believed. And the lady that sued Mcdonalds for millions for having hot coffee spilled on her only got 410,000 and she will never be able to run, enjoy sex or sit normally again. After her attorney fees she gets probably half of the 410,000. But according to fox news people are suing left and right and become millionaires. The individual in this country is losing its rights to the corporation. And fools like scoreboard believe in the sham.

All he did is cite their claim. Certainly didn't read anything about McDonald's.
Sounds like Scoreboard is against Wal/Chinamart ("the corporation") - so I don't know what sham you're referring to. I think we all know Wal-Mart has helped ushered in the abudance of goods from China,et.al.
Back to the topic, cabatoge will probably happen because that is what corporations and government want.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Gimme a break. Unless you do all of your shopping at the local farmer's market (Look honey, we can buy the kids clothes made from hemp!), guess where it's made?

Where do you shop?

 

[sqwkvfr]

I laugh every time I read one of these "sky is falling" threads regarding foreign pilots.

Like an earlier poster, I work for a company that does ab-initio training and, due to recent events, will soon be taking pilots from zero time through their type rating in just a little over 250 hours.

All of these kids (I feel old) paid roughtly ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND dollars for this training (seen by many as some of the best in Europe).

They are appalled at US pilot wages and very, I mean VERY few would ever consider working here for the wages paid here; even if they found themselves in dire straights. They have no desire to get beat around in our system for ten years before making a reasonable salary and then only to still be a part of work rules that are generally subpar to those of their home country while being away from home.

These kids end up right seat on A320s or 737s with 250 hours.....by the time they have the experience to be competetive for a US job in that type of equipment, they'd be making a salary that they just wouldn't be able to replace working for a US carrier....even if they were to stay there for ten or fifteen years.

Seriously, does ANYONE on here know ANY foreign pilot that would be competetive for a major who is just itching for this rule to change? I likely know far more European pilots than the vast majority on this board and I have to reply in the negative. I dont know of even ONE person that would give up his/her present postion or situation to come and work here.

In short, the US has the toughest system and some of the lowest pay vs. experience of almost any country in the world for pilots.

Foreign pilots don't want to work here.

 

[Flopgut]

I laugh every time I read one of these "sky is falling" threads regarding foreign pilots.

Like an earlier poster, I work for a company that does ab-initio training and, due to recent events, will soon be taking pilots from zero time through their type rating in just a little over 250 hours.

All of these kids (I feel old) paid roughtly ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND dollars for this training (seen by many as some of the best in Europe).

They are appalled at US pilot wages and very, I mean VERY few would ever consider working here for the wages paid here; even if they found themselves in dire straights. They have no desire to get beat around in our system for ten years before making a reasonable salary and then only to still be a part of work rules that are generally subpar to those of their home country while being away from home.

These kids end up right seat on A320s or 737s with 250 hours.....by the time they have the experience to be competetive for a US job in that type of equipment, they'd be making a salary that they just wouldn't be able to replace working for a US carrier....even if they were to stay there for ten or fifteen years.

Seriously, does ANYONE on here know ANY foreign pilot that would be competetive for a major who is just itching for this rule to change? I likely know far more European pilots than the vast majority on this board and I have to reply in the negative. I dont know of even ONE person that would give up his/her present postion or situation to come and work here.

In short, the US has the toughest system and some of the lowest pay vs. experience of almost any country in the world for pilots.

Foreign pilots don't want to work here.

Nice post.

Maybe there will be opportunities for us in the future. Most of us don't have A plans anymore, there might be a little "free agency" in that. I don't feel tied to my carrier anymore, really. We've got a shocking number of first year pilots leaving (this is CAL we're talking about), there might be a chance for a lot of us US pilots to participate in the global pilot need as well.