Your Flying Job Is Next!!

[ReformAlpa]

Another sell-out of the American Worker

Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and read this:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/...s=dgo&psp=news


If I was filthy rich, I would open a flight school in Bangalore, India and train a ***tload of pilots at 10 cents on the dollar.

Hell, I might even call all the airline CEOs to pitch in. (Anyone have Arpey's number? Or that clown from Skybus?)

Imagine: A state-of-the-art pilot training center in Bangalore or Mumbai...with extremely motivated, intelligent, college-educated flight students getting type-rated on 737s, 757s, EMBs...you name it. We could churn out pilots by the THOUSANDS!

Those "GRADUATES" would just love to come over here and fly for 25k/year.

That's your future, boys and girls. Don't like it? Tough ****! You won't get off your lazy, collective a$$es and do something about it.

I know, I know. You pay your dues to SWAPA, ALPA, APA, Teamsters, NPA, etc. Sure, that's enough.

You're probably just gonna sit there and take it and make fun of all the Teamsters truck drivers who are losing their pay & livelyhood. After all....they're only dumb truck drivers. Anyone can drive a truck. You're special:

You are a highly-trained AVIATOR. Your job can't be outsourced. LOL.

I would lobby Congress to exploit the upcoming "pilot shortage". I would have all my minions in the news media force-feeding the idea that american pilots are overpaid and underworked prima-donnas.

"Hey, John Q. Public: Your airfare is waayy too high. It's because the average pilot makes $185,000 per year. AND THEY ONLY WORK 85 HOURS PER MONTH! Pass this law, and your airfare gets lower!"

THEN, I would be able to pass a law to allow those Indian-trained pilots to fly for all the US carriers under some bull**** 'special dispensation' clause.

It will all be sold to the gullible American public because it is good for the consumer.

If I can think of this plan, you know some Frank Lorenzo/Johnathan Ornstein-type is already working on it...and I'm just a dumba$$ pilot.

Why am I going off on this? Because you guys need to wake the ***k up! Some of us already have.

HAVE YOU?

Get off your collective a$$es and do something. Get involved. ****t, run for office. ANYTHING. Stop being a blind, helpless lemming letting the corporate henchmen, politicians, lawyers and the corporation-controlled media take you, me and the middle class for a ride.

Red state vs Blue state....D vs R...it's all BULL**** POSTURING. Divide and Conquer. Oldest trick in the book.

AMERICANS: WAKE THE **LL UP!

 

[startingover]

Another sell-out of the American Worker

Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and read this:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/...s=dgo&psp=news


If I was filthy rich, I would open a flight school in Bangalore, India and train a ***tload of pilots at 10 cents on the dollar.

Hell, I might even call all the airline CEOs to pitch in. (Anyone have Arpey's number? Or that clown from Skybus?)

Imagine: A state-of-the-art pilot training center in Bangalore or Mumbai...with extremely motivated, intelligent, college-educated flight students getting type-rated on 737s, 757s, EMBs...you name it. We could churn out pilots by the THOUSANDS!

Those "GRADUATES" would just love to come over here and fly for 25k/year.

That's your future, boys and girls. Don't like it? Tough ****! You won't get off your lazy, collective a$$es and do something about it.

I know, I know. You pay your dues to SWAPA, ALPA, APA, Teamsters, NPA, etc. Sure, that's enough.

You're probably just gonna sit there and take it and make fun of all the Teamsters truck drivers who are losing their pay & livelyhood. After all....they're only dumb truck drivers. Anyone can drive a truck. You're special:

You are a highly-trained AVIATOR. Your job can't be outsourced. LOL.

I would lobby Congress to exploit the upcoming "pilot shortage". I would have all my minions in the news media force-feeding the idea that american pilots are overpaid and underworked prima-donnas.

"Hey, John Q. Public: Your airfare is waayy too high. It's because the average pilot makes $185,000 per year. AND THEY ONLY WORK 85 HOURS PER MONTH! Pass this law, and your airfare gets lower!"

THEN, I would be able to pass a law to allow those Indian-trained pilots to fly for all the US carriers under some bull**** 'special dispensation' clause.

It will all be sold to the gullible American public because it is good for the consumer.

If I can think of this plan, you know some Frank Lorenzo/Johnathan Ornstein-type is already working on it...and I'm just a dumba$$ pilot.

Why am I going off on this? Because you guys need to wake the ***k up! Some of us already have.

HAVE YOU?

Get off your collective a$$es and do something. Get involved. ****t, run for office. ANYTHING. Stop being a blind, helpless lemming letting the corporate henchmen, politicians, lawyers and the corporation-controlled media take you, me and the middle class for a ride.

Red state vs Blue state....D vs R...it's all BULL**** POSTURING. Divide and Conquer. Oldest trick in the book.

AMERICANS: WAKE THE **LL UP!

Stop watching Fox News and get a hobby

 

[Benhuntn]

Nice try starting over....this isn't written by a Fox watcher! This guy is looking for someone to save him. That makes him a perfect subject for a lib lobotomy.

 

[scoreboard]

Actually, this wiil ensure the american worker wakes up. As soon as some of those cheaper goods start putting folks out of business, as soon as some of those cheaper trucks and cheaper drivers start killing families by the van full, then the public will wake-up.

I have awakened.

I am no longer buying clothes from China, like anything from Columbia (which used to be 100% USA made).

Remember when Walmart sold 100% USA?

I don't shop Walmart anymore.

Small steps folks, take it back.

 

[PCL_128]

Fu&% George Bush!!!

 

[JimNtexas]

Why would a Ron Paul supporter oppose the operation of the free market? Didn't you ever read Atlas Shrugged?

 

[ReformAlpa]

In a true free market we wouldn't be handicapped & handcuffed by the Railway Labor Act of, what 1926 ?

Who do you think wrote those laws? I would prefer to negotiate under true free market conditions where me and 4000 of my colleagues could take "a day off work" without the fear of million dollar fines and/or jail time...just to let people know just how valuable we are.

 

[BigMeat]

In a true free market we wouldn't be handicapped & handcuffed by the Railway Labor Act of, what 1926 ?

Who do you think wrote those laws? I would prefer to negotiate under true free market conditions where me and 4000 of my colleagues could take "a day off work" without the fear of million dollar fines and/or jail time...just to let people know just how valuable we are.

Yes the railway labor act that the railroads dont even have to comply with. If you dont think the above posts are true believe me there are many out there that would love to outsource our jobs. Just like they have outsourced the rest of America. The only diff. is that we have watched it happen to everyone else because it is harder to outsource us. They can outsource our flying. We are only one ruling away from that. I try to support my fellow American worker by buying American. Its next to impossible. If I cant buy American I try next to buy from a country with a similar standard of living. Like Japan or Germany. If I cant do that then I try to buy from a third world democracy.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Standby for an article that begins:

"The Bush administration can go ahead with a pilot program to allow as many as 10 Mexican airlines to freely fly anywhere within the U.S. for the next year, a federal appeals court ruled Friday."

Time to shut'r down!

Unit





Court: Mexican Trucks Program to Proceed

By JORDAN ROBERTSON – 20 hours ago

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The Bush administration can go ahead with a pilot program to allow as many as 100 Mexican trucking companies to freely haul their cargo anywhere within the U.S. for the next year, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied a request made by the Teamsters union, the Sierra Club and the nonprofit Public Citizen to halt the program.

The appeals court ruled the groups have not satisfied the legal requirements to immediately stop what the government is calling a "demonstration project," but can continue to argue their case.

The trucking program is scheduled to begin Thursday.

In court papers filed this week, the Teamsters and Sierra Club argued there won''t be enough oversight of the drivers coming into the U.S. from Mexico.

They also argued that public safety would be endangered in a hasty attempt by the government to comply with parts of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

The trade agreement requires that all roads in the United States, Mexico and Canada to be opened to carriers from all three countries.

Canadian trucking companies have full access to U.S. roads, but Mexican trucks can travel only about 20 miles inside the country at certain border crossings, such as ones in San Diego and El Paso, Texas.

The government contends that further delays in the project will strain the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico.

In court filings this week, government lawyers said that the program is an important interim step in fulfilling the United States'' obligations under NAFTA. They said that Mexican trucking companies would have to meet the same regulations governing U.S. trucking companies, and that in some cases the requirements are stricter.

Representatives of the Teamsters did not immediately return calls late Friday from The Associated Press, and a Sierra Club spokeswoman declined to comment immediately.

The program is designed to study whether opening the U.S.-Mexico border to all trucks could be done safely.

Congress ordered the Department of Transportation this year to launch a pilot program to investigate the issue. As the start date neared, the Teamsters and the Sierra Club claimed the public wasn''t given enough opportunity to comment on a program that, as proposed now, won''t yield statistically valid results.

The government says it has imposed rigorous safety protocols in the program, including drug and alcohol testing for drivers done by U.S. companies. In addition, law enforcement officials have stepped up nationwide enforcement of a law that''s been on the books since the 1970s requiring interstate truck and bus drivers to have a basic understanding of written and spoken English.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, the Department of Transportation agency charged with managing the program, said Friday that the court''s decision is "welcome news for U.S. truck drivers anxious to compete south of the border and U.S. consumers eager to realize the savings of more efficient shipments with one of our largest trading partners."

However, the agency said it must still wait for final report by the inspector general and for Mexico to begin giving U.S. trucking companies reciprocal access before the program can begin.

The Teamsters had complained that the government has provided not details of the reciprocal agreement.

 

[FlyingFarmer]

'The Bush administration can go ahead with a pilot program to allow as many as 10 Mexican airlines to freely fly anywhere within the U.S. for the next year, a federal appeals court ruled Friday."

This WILL happen, it doesn't matter if a Clinton or a Bush gets in, these kinds of politicians are all alike. Wonder how Fred Thompson feels about mexican trucks and cabotage? What EXACTLY has Ron Paul said about cabotage or Mexican trucks?

 

[Dizel8]

I love this part:

"The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, the Department of Transportation agency charged with managing the program, said Friday that the court''s decision is "welcome news for U.S. truck drivers anxious to compete south of the border and U.S. consumers eager to realize the savings of more efficient shipments with one of our largest trading partners."

Just like NAFTA was supposed to increase the income of Mexicans and thereby allow them to buy more american goods. All it has done is export jobs, that were previously held by americans.

 

[FlyingFarmer]

Just remember for all of you lurkers out there, especially the younger leftwing leaning backpack wearing ipod frosted tip TURDS.

A CLINTON gave us NAFTA.

AND for all of you Generals and Colonels that think Bush is salt and light, and Cheney is a great guy.

HIS DOT has given us this, and he has said that he is willing to give up cabotage.


And another thing-


"Atlas Shrugged" was a book, not a fact

from wikipedia

Atlas Shrugged is a political book. It portrays fascism, socialism and communism – any form of state intervention in society – as systemically and fatally flawed. However, Rand claimed that it is not a fundamentally political book, but that the politics portrayed in the novel are a result of her attempt to display her image of the ideal person and the individual mind's position and value in society.
Rand argues that independence and individual achievement enable society to survive and thrive, and should be embraced. But this requires a


"rational" moral code.




She argues that, over time, coerced self-sacrifice causes any society to self-destruct.

(Iraq?)

She is similarly dismissive of faith beyond reason, in a god or higher being, or anything else as an authority over one's own mind. The book positions itself against religion specifically, often directly within the characters' dialogue.


Ah yes, the NEW breed of (Military?) pilot, great at following orders, but not so S.H. at higher levels of critical thought.

 

[PCL_128]

This WILL happen, it doesn't matter if a Clinton or a Bush gets in, these kinds of politicians are all alike.

You're probably right that Clinton would do it just like Bush would, but someone like a Joe Biden or a John Edwards would not. Not all politicians worship at the feet of the same special interests.

 

[Dizel8]

You're probably right that Clinton would do it just like Bush would, but someone like a Joe Biden or a John Edwards would not. Not all politicians worship at the feet of the same special interests.

I doubt that to be true, most politicians will say and do anything to get elected, once they are in the office, it is a different story.

Mr. Edwards seem to be worshipping at the feet of trial lawyers, they are his biggest contributors, you can rest assured they believe that he will act in their best interest.

You know, the ones that almost killed GA with lawsuits in the 50 to 100 millions range for Piper, Cessna etc. Or the obscene amounts sued for in medical malpractice.

Of course, it will be funny to see, how he will bring us socialized medicine and who is going to be paying the very same lawsuits. Ask a surgeon how much his malpractice policy cost!

Sure you can find similar things on Mr. Biden, little doubt that his biggest contributors figure they will get something in return.

Such is the nature of the beast!

 

[PCL_128]

Dizel8, you're right that Edwards would cater to the trial lawyers, and Biden would cater to his special interests of choice. The point is that neither of these guys have catered to big-business and screwed labor to help out their rich buddies. They may favor the trial lawyers and the AARP geezers among others, but you won't find them "reinterpreting" regulations so that foreigners can drive trucks in America just because some big-business contributor wants to screw over labor and boost his profits. What pilots need to learn is that we have to support the politicians that pander to labor for votes, and forget the politicians that pander to big business. It's all a pathetic and corrupt system, but we can make it work for us if we are smart about it. Will we have to put up with trail lawyers getting their way for a few years? Yep. But at least Mexicans won't be stealing our jobs.

 

[FlyingFarmer]

So I guess I'm about to throw up in my mouth a little. I actually agree with PCL (frosted hair) 128,

at least he got rid of his back pack.

by the way,

side bar...

What is wrong with all you commuter fresh out of college turds? Do you know how stupid the backpack looks? And where did you miserable hemmoroids get your jumpseat etiquette? I'd would have thought you were jetblue or Skywirst Stews? I mean WTF? "Hey Cap, I got your jump seat, your agent put me in the back?" as you sling your back pack over your shoulder????

Did you enjoy the NIGHT you had to spend in that airport you freekin ********************e boy?

Ok I feel better, rant over-

Where was I?

I don't have a problem with Biden, or Haircut 100 Edwards, but if all you libs don't let the DNC know how you feel, welcome to socialism with Hillary. At least the Russian will be happy, it will feel more like home.

 

[PCL_128]

So I guess I'm about to throw up in my mouth a little. I actually agree with PCL (frosted hair) 128,

at least he got rid of his back pack.

Frosted hair? Backpack? You really don't know me.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

If you wish you can call this poster "chicken little" and put your head in the sand.

Open skies agreements (cabotage) is just the beginning and this is how foreign pilots will fill our skies just as foreign truck drivers are now doing.

American pilots are not dummies they are getting out of this business in droves, many highly qualified men and women are bypassing a career in aviation right out of college. This has been happening in the maintenance field for a long time. Before an A&P graduate hits the streets a head hunter from non aviation industries offer them more money turning wrenches for them. Much more money and benefits, less stress, it's a no brainer.

When this happens you will hear, "no American (pilot) worker wants the job."

Sound familiar? Of course we know they really mean "they won't work for the low wages we pay."

 

[g-code]

I for one am not worried. Just stroll by any flight school that trains Chinese, Indian, whatever pilots and you will see that they are for the most part sub-par.

The Mexican pilots' union will never allow Mexico to enter into an open-skies agreement with the US because they would get spanked badly.

 

[lindsaya99]

The Mexican pilots' union will never allow Mexico to enter into an open-skies agreement with the US because they would get spanked badly.

You are assuming that the Mexican pilot's union has more influence over its government than Alpa has over ours. IMO the Mexican government will never miss out on an opportunity to export labor to the US.