• NC Software is having a Black Friday Sale Event thru December 4th on Logbook Pro, APDL - Airline Pilot Logbook, Cirrus Elite Binders, and more. Use coupon code BF2020 at checkout to redeem 15% off your purchase. Click here to shop now.
  • NC Software is proud to announce the release of APDL - Airline Pilot Logbook version 10.0. Click here to view APDL on the Apple App store and install now.

Yo! Check it out! More Africa for Delta...

General Lee

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 24, 2002
Posts
20,442
Total Time
A lot
Delta putting more of Africa on its map

By Kelly Yamanouchi
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Tuesday, May 26, 2009


Even as Delta Air lines trims its work force and cuts flight schedules in the face of recession, it continues to add new routes to a part of the world its top rivals largely ignore — Africa.

Atlanta-based Delta is the only U.S. airline flying its own planes to the continent, although some others sell seats on foreign carriers’ flights. Delta executives are convinced the airline’s Atlanta hub is geographically well-suited to offer an alternative to flights connecting through Europe.


Other airlines’ hubs in Dallas or Denver, said executive vice president Glen Hauenstein, are “great hubs for different geographies, but not great hubs for Africa.”

Since launching flights to Africa three years ago, Delta has put seven African nations on its route map and invested nearly $1 billion in service to the continent. This summer it’s adding several more.

On June 2 The airline will begin flying between Atlanta and Nairobi, Kenya via Dakar, Senegal. Delta originally planned to launch Nairobi flights in 2008 from New York, but it delayed the launch and moved the route to Atlanta.

The new route “really opens up Africa a little bit more,” said Romeo Rwambaisire, chairman of the East Africa America Business Council. “It helps the businesses that want to start working in East Africa, where it’s an emerging market.”

Delta will also launch Atlanta-Cape Town, South Africa flights via Dakar and nonstop flights from Atlanta to Johannesburg, South Africa, on June 1. It has had one-stop service to Johannesburg.

From New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport, Delta will launch flights to Monrovia, Liberia, and Abuja, Nigeria, via Dakar this month.
In September, Delta plans to launch flights from Atlanta to Luanda, Angola, and Malabo, Equatorial Guinea via Sal, Cape Verde, pending government approvals.

The Africa flights have been part of a broader international push at Delta, which in the middle of the decade found itself behind major rivals in the proportion of its business supplied by higher-margin international travel.
But the expansion left it in a difficult spot as the global recession dampened travel, particularly on flights between financial capitals such as New York and London.

Delta previously announced it would cut its total flight capacity by 6 percent to 8 percent this year, and said it would reduce international flight capacity by another 10 percent starting in September, mainly in weak trans-Atlantic and -Pacific networks.

Delta has also adjusted its Africa plans, shifting its Abuja and Monrovia flights to JFK from Atlanta and delaying launch of the Angola and Equatorial Guinea routes due to waits for government approvals.
Starting operations in a new country is challenging, Hauenstein said. “Every country has its own attributes that make it unique,” he said. The government approval process in other countries can be long and unpredictable.

Delta executives see Africa as underserved by airlines and believe that flying more direct routes from the United States could give it an advantage over longer connecting routes on foreign. On the Atlanta-Johannesburg flight, for example, travelers can save an average of six hours in each direction, according to Delta.

Delta’s new Africa routes could draw vacationers and African-born U.S. residents who want to visit friends and relatives, as well as business travelers, particularly those in the petroleum and mining industries.
Rwambaisire also expects church missions to use the new flights. Hauenstein expects Delta will draw about 40 percent of its revenue from business travelers and 60 percent from leisure travelers on the Nairobi flight, for example.
“Certainly there’s been a lot of economic turmoil across the globe, but Africa is one of the few regions that’s still growing economically, even through this recession,” Hauenstein said. Africa has a “relatively small economy and it’s developing quite rapidly.”

He hopes the routes will “eventually be profitable,” though “in these stressed economic times we’re looking to get there quicker rather than later.”




That nonstop to Joberg from ATL is daily on a 777LR, and is 8451 nautical miles. In the past South African Airways flew 744s or A346s nonstop to Joberg, but had a stop westbound in Sal, Cape Verde. That 777LR can do it nonstop, obviously. I talked to a 777 Capt recently and he said his nonstop flight from Mumbai to ATL took him over Afghanistan, Iran, all of the other "stans", over Moscow, St. Petersburg, Oslo, and then across the Atlantic, down to ATL. It took 16 hours and 40 minutes, and both directions were totally full of pax and cargo.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Last edited:

crj567

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 20, 2008
Posts
2,052
I think everyone is hoping Africa will "eventually be profitable." You might as well hope you start pooping diamonds!

-Inspired leadership, or political correctness run off the tracks? DAL is now letting some idiot in the "East Africa Business Council" decide where to put flights.... "Eventually be profitable?" Yeah, right! East Africa is the next "Silicon Valley" it is the next "financial capitol" of the world! Better hitch to that East African rocket to riches and hang on!

-You guys better wake up-RA and his goatee-encrusted butt-pirate are ruining your airline in fine fashion..

-Let's Light This Candle!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOKDK0g1Gno

-I'm pretty sure "Stewart" is working for the "East Africa Business Council" these days!
 
Last edited:

av8tor76

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 22, 2005
Posts
68
Total Time
12k
you can have africa...the chaotic airspace, the stench, and the bedbugs!! good luck and hope your senior.
 

General Lee

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 24, 2002
Posts
20,442
Total Time
A lot
you can have africa...the chaotic airspace, the stench, and the bedbugs!! good luck and hope your senior.

Africa also has lots of rich people who run local oil companies who want to see safer parts of the world. There is some small cargo that could also be carried in the belly to supplement profits. Most of those passengers go overboard on their own luggage, which means even more money due to overweight bags or extra bag fees. We have had to run 777s just to carry extra bags--all at a profit. And, I am senior enough not to do it, but a 48 hour layover somewhere I haven't been to before that could have a safari tour does sound interesting, ONCE.

Bye Bye---General Lee
 

Cobra17

¿quién es tu papi?
Joined
Jun 1, 2006
Posts
758
Total Time
8500
Africa also has lots of rich people who run local oil companies who want to see safer parts of the world. There is some small cargo that could also be carried in the belly to supplement profits. Most of those passengers go overboard on their own luggage, which means even more money due to overweight bags or extra bag fees. We have had to run 777s just to carry extra bags--all at a profit. And, I am senior enough not to do it, but a 48 hour layover somewhere I haven't been to before that could have a safari tour does sound interesting, ONCE.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Genital, please tell your mom I"m sorry I didn't call her on mother's day, I was busy doing some "offshore drilling" out in the gulf with some Delta pilot's wife. Cheers.
 

General Lee

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 24, 2002
Posts
20,442
Total Time
A lot
Genital, please tell your mom I"m sorry I didn't call her on mother's day, I was busy doing some "offshore drilling" out in the gulf with some Delta pilot's wife. Cheers.

Thanks Chachi. Hey, Jonie loves Chachi, right? Jonie must be an old fat stew you porked. I hope you went in for seconds! I bet you did loser.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

crj567

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 20, 2008
Posts
2,052
Africa also has lots of rich people who run local oil companies who want to see safer parts of the world. There is some small cargo that could also be carried in the belly to supplement profits. Most of those passengers go overboard on their own luggage, which means even more money due to overweight bags or extra bag fees. We have had to run 777s just to carry extra bags--all at a profit. And, I am senior enough not to do it, but a 48 hour layover somewhere I haven't been to before that could have a safari tour does sound interesting, ONCE.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Please pull up the Flight Tracker for the 777 extra section for baggage, you azzclown!

-I would seriously LOVE to see you back up that complete fabrication!!

P.S.- General-Do you REALLY think basing a business model on a handful of rich people who want to get OUT of a country is a good idea?
 
Last edited:

N2264J

Re: member
Joined
May 25, 2003
Posts
2,925
Total Time
>18000
Re: Yo! Check it out! More Africa for Delta...

you can have africa...the chaotic airspace, the stench, and the bedbugs!! good luck and hope your senior.

Don't let the bedbugs bite...no seriously, for the love of God, don't let the bedbugs bite! Those African bloodsuckers are all teeth and mouth parts.

I've heard horror stories about those things getting into overnight bags and people bringing them home.
 

GogglesPisano

Pawn, in game of life
Joined
Oct 20, 2003
Posts
3,939
Total Time
enough
JFK-ACC is the highest yield market at DL.

I hear the 777 is flying ATL-LOS, or is about to.
 

flyboyike

Urban Legend/Rural Myth
Joined
Apr 30, 2006
Posts
1,852
Total Time
5801
P.S.- General-Do you REALLY think basing a business model on a handful of rich people who want to get OUT of a country is a good idea?

No worse than basing a business model on oil being lower than X dollars/bbl for Y amount of time.
 

General Lee

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 24, 2002
Posts
20,442
Total Time
A lot
Please pull up the Flight Tracker for the 777 extra section for baggage, you azzclown!

-I would seriously LOVE to see you back up that complete fabrication!!

P.S.- General-Do you REALLY think basing a business model on a handful of rich people who want to get OUT of a country is a good idea?

Flight tracker? Well, I guess I could research it back to last XMAS, where we had to give out greenslips to 777 pilots to get them to fly to Lagos for the extra bags. And I guess you didn't know that our Lagos flights are among our most profitable? We are replacing the current 767-300ER and throwing a 777 on that route daily, and adding a flight to the Nigerian capital of Abuja. Nigeria is an oil rich country, and a lot of those people want to spend their oil money elsewhere, and then of course come back to their compounds. But hey, I guess you know otherwise!!!! And I have flown "only bag" flights before---I flew a one day trip from Atlanta to Managua, San Pedro Sula, and back to ATL just carrying bags on a 76ER two years ago just before Xmas. If you need my W2 to prove it, just ask again..... Go back to the Fry machine, it is beeping again.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Last edited:

General Lee

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 24, 2002
Posts
20,442
Total Time
A lot
Don't let the bedbugs bite...no seriously, for the love of God, don't let the bedbugs bite! Those African bloodsuckers are all teeth and mouth parts.

I've heard horror stories about those things getting into overnight bags and people bringing them home.

We stay at the nicest hotels at each location, for comfort and mainly for security reasons. They can be our nicest hotels in the whole system. I think you have a better chance of getting bedbugs at your own 6 hour continuous duty overnight in Dayton at the Sleep Inn N2264J.....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

crj567

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 20, 2008
Posts
2,052
We stay at the nicest hotels at each location, for comfort and mainly for security reasons. They can be our nicest hotels in the whole system. I think you have a better chance of getting bedbugs at your own 6 hour continuous duty overnight in Dayton at the Sleep Inn N2264J.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Less of a chance than you stand of catching something incurable from a hooker at one of your "nice" hotels, bag boy!

-Flight Tracker works! I would love to see a 777 extra section full of bags, I still think you are completely full of poop!
 

Tanker Clown

KC-10 IP
Joined
May 22, 2004
Posts
1,653
Total Time
1700+
I hope this route is a lucrative as the other international routes are! Good luck guys. When Delta starts losing money on this one (which is probably as soon as they had the idea), try putting Song on it. They seem to be the best thing Delta has going.
 

PeanuckleCRJ

Hurrrrrrrr
Joined
Jul 21, 2004
Posts
1,684
Total Time
mucho
Less of a chance than you stand of catching something incurable from a hooker at one of your "nice" hotels, bag boy!

-Flight Tracker works! I would love to see a 777 extra section full of bags, I still think you are completely full of poop!

The ATL-LOS route is being upguaged to the 777 for the foreseeable future. Your Africa rants are largely unfounded as that continent is very very profitable for us. Why would we continue to expand into something that is unprofitable?

This is why you see us pulling planes off the North Atlanta and dropping them into Africa.


As far as the extra sections go, I remember reading about those. If you really want to know the specific date, go over to airliners.net. They have the nerd level and connections to find that stuff.
 
Last edited:

LandGreen

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 24, 2005
Posts
195
Total Time
where?
Please pull up the Flight Tracker for the 777 extra section for baggage, you azzclown!

-I would seriously LOVE to see you back up that complete fabrication!!

P.S.- General-Do you REALLY think basing a business model on a handful of rich people who want to get OUT of a country is a good idea?


this quote is coming from a rookie RJ driver? what kind of experience do you have that would possibly convince a mainline employee (pilot or other) to take you seriously?
 

BILL LUMBERG

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 10, 2005
Posts
2,074
Total Time
9 to 5
Tanker Monkey is back!!!

Hide the kids....(ya know, that's what he likes!!)
 

BILL LUMBERG

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 10, 2005
Posts
2,074
Total Time
9 to 5
Please give CRJ a break.....He's bitter!!

Fail a checkride or two CRJ?? Maybe another commuter will hire ya.....cause Delta sure didn't by the way you whine like a JT8D about anything that we do.....

I forgot....you guys feed US....my bad!!!
 
Top