Yo! Check it out! More Africa for Delta...

[Spud]

Really? More Africans to ATL?

Great.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

CRJ567.
Record. Not records. You accuse us of saying the same thing over and over. If that is the case we are playing the same record! There was a point in its singularity.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

God, I hope that's not true. I'd hate to think Delta is letting guys with names like Olbutunde Bumbujunju decide their fleet assignments, but that's just me.

This is not that big of a deal. DAL did it with Jamaica a few years ago. DAL told the Jamaican government that the routes only would support a CRJ, and their government wanted a 88 or better. Well to get the approval we gave Kingston a 88. When we told the Jamaican government that we were going to pull service if we had to keep an 88 on the route, they allowed a CRJ.
I am sure if the loads do not support a 777, they will pull it once they have gotten a taste for direct service to the US.

 

[crj567]

CRJ567.
Record. Not records. You accuse us of saying the same thing over and over. If that is the case we are playing the same record! There was a point in its singularity.

Ummmm-

Would you like a mulligan?

You see "record" would tend to imply that you and General Lee are indeed the same person. Two broken "records" would imply a duality of Kool-Aid-Chugging-(two individual chuggers, if you will.) Subtle, yet significant difference, sir.

-That is, unless you are just another one of the many screen names the Genital uses.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

God, I hope that's not true. I'd hate to think Delta is letting guys with names like Olbutunde Bumbujunju decide their fleet assignments, but that's just me.

So, you think that DAL should be able to tell a foreign government what to do?

Kenya is very proud of their country, and eager to show that they don't tolerate foreign meddling.

If you want to do business in Kenya, then you will do what they say, otherwise, they will find another company that will follow their rules.

They have total control of their airport, and everything that goes on there, and they can approve anything they want.

So, if you want to fly here, you work with the CAA. If you don't, you won't fly here, and some other airline will make the money.

Virgin, BA, KLM, AF, Emirates, and many cargo companies, fly huge aircraft in here, and make tons of money. Luckily, DAL is smart, and they will work with the CAA so they can make a lot of money here, too.

cliff
NBO

 

[flyboyike]

So, you think that DAL should be able to tell a foreign government what to do?

No, I think fleet choices should be up to the airline, not to said "foreign government". I thought I was pretty clear.

 

[~~~^~~~]

No, I think fleet choices should be up to the airline, not to said "foreign government". I thought I was pretty clear.

+1, especially when they say a 767-300ER, or -400, is not modern enough for them. The statement by the government official indicated a lack of knowledge and the arrogance that is typical if officials who are not accountable for basic competency within the subject field they regulate.

I'd have sent a 767 with winglets, truthfully told them it is the newest and most efficient jet in its' category. It looks more modern and this seemed to have been about appearances.

NBO Dude - how much you figure this was just a shakedown for cash?

 

[EMBpilot]

you can have africa...the chaotic airspace, the stench, and the bedbugs!! good luck and hope your senior.

The airspace is very opposite of chaotic - hardly any traffic, most of which is DAL

The stench and bedbugs I haven't seen yet in 2 years of flying there, I'll just take your word for it.

Senior - not senior, it depends. Some like 3 day 25 hour trips some would rather go somewhere else.

Delta is making a lot of money in Africa. Hopefully the brand new markets will do even better.

 

[flyboyike]

The statement by the government official indicated a lack of knowledge and the arrogance that is typical if officials who are not accountable for basic competency within the subject field they regulate.

Never mind incompetent, most of them are illiterate, not to mention still eat each other.

 

[SiuDude]

Oops, Nairobi and Monrovia have been canceled, never mind!

http://www.ajc.com/business/content...lanta_kenya.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

 

[Benjamin Dover]

At least we don't need malaria pills for LBB, plus they have a sweet Wal-Mart near hotel and jogging distance to Tech campus to scope babes half our age

Can't buy beer though - 'sup with that General?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Oops, Nairobi and Monrovia have been canceled, never mind!

http://www.ajc.com/business/content...lanta_kenya.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

Typical TSA lack of planning. Typical.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The TSA sucks. That organization makes for the worst part of every trip.

 

[higherflyer]

So, you think that DAL should be able to tell a foreign government what to do?

Kenya is very proud of their country, and eager to show that they don't tolerate foreign meddling.

If you want to do business in Kenya, then you will do what they say, otherwise, they will find another company that will follow their rules.

The government telling Delta which aircraft to fly was actually Nigeria's, not Kenya's. DL had to upgrade LOS to the 777 in order to get Abuja approval. There are plusses in the 777 on the route with range and payload issues, but the change from the 767ER was due to 'gubment' requirements.

As far as Kenya telling Delta what to do, maybe the Kenyan government could tell DHS and TSA what to do to get the NBO and ROB routes up and running.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am sure the delay will be a short one.

 

[Varig]

Guys did Delta start LAX-GRU nonstop or did the company abandon plans for this route???

 

[General Lee]

Guys did Delta start LAX-GRU nonstop or did the company abandon plans for this route???

I think they are doing that in July. They did delay it a month for some reason.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

At least we don't need malaria pills for LBB, plus they have a sweet Wal-Mart near hotel and jogging distance to Tech campus to scope babes half our age

Can't buy beer though - 'sup with that General?

Yeah, but you need to walk around LBB in a body condom. And, you can go to Tech with your Captain, the one who now is over 60 and is happy to still be at SWA, even with his stock options. He can rent a "sweet ride" so both of you can go over there and tell the chicks you have enormous "corndogs." Can you do the same in Amarillo?



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

I think the end of this video is just funny, when he says where they diverted to right at the end. Not sure he was happy with that decision....

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=13795078&ch=4226714&src=news

 

[Cobra17]

Yeah, but you need to walk around LBB in a body condom. And, you can go to Tech with your Captain, the one who now is over 60 and is happy to still be at SWA, even with his stock options. He can rent a "sweet ride" so both of you can go over there and tell the chicks you have enormous "corndogs." Can you do the same in Amarillo?



Bye Bye--General Lee

Your mom.

 

[General Lee]

Your mom.

Wow, classic response. I have already saved it and hope to copyright it too. It is pending..... You have a fantastic wit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Caveman]

Really? More Africans to ATL?

Great.

Okay everybody else went PC and ignored you, but I won't. That was freaking hilarious! Nicely done.

 

[the turtle]

Africa...Ugh. You can have it. About the most dangerous airspace around. Not uncommon for two heavys to negotiate on alts and waypoints so as not to smack into one another. Never felt more unsafe. Makes India look like a well-oiled clock.

 

[BLing]

Ive lived and worked in Africa and been to some of the destinations mentioned. African aviation is extreemly profitable. It makes money because its inteneded to serve the highest common denominator. Air France has some of its highest profit margins serving African destinations. There is a ton of money over there.... Its just in the hands of the select few who will be purchasing tickets and shipping cargo. The wealthy have more money than we could ever imagine and tend to have large families who can easily book these flights. Keep in mind that a lot of the seats will be sold to expats and cargo will be a huge portion of the profits. And dont bash Africa until youve been there. Yes its third world, but you will be treated and live like kings on your 48 hrs over there...

 

[shooter]

Ive lived and worked in Africa and been to some of the destinations mentioned. African aviation is extreemly profitable. It makes money because its inteneded to serve the highest common denominator. Air France has some of its highest profit margins serving African destinations. There is a ton of money over there.... Its just in the hands of the select few who will be purchasing tickets and shipping cargo. The wealthy have more money than we could ever imagine and tend to have large families who can easily book these flights. Keep in mind that a lot of the seats will be sold to expats and cargo will be a huge portion of the profits. And dont bash Africa until youve been there. Yes its third world, but you will be treated and live like kings on your 48 hrs over there...

Where did you live in Africa? I hope this brings in big cash for Delta, but be careful when you fly there. It does NOT sound like you will live like kings as stated above.

· Zimbabwe issued December 2008. The political instability and economic crisis in Zimbabwe has resulted in small-scale civil demonstrations and riots as well as outbreaks of diseases like cholera due to the deterioration of the public health system.
· Kenya issued November, 2008. Political unrest has all but vanished, but the US State Department still retains a travel warning for visitors to Kenya in the light of the high incidence of violent crime and possible threat from terrorists. For the most up to date information see the US Embassy web site based in Nairobi. Travelers should avoid the Kenya/Somali border.
· Chad issued November, 2008. Americans are advised to avoid all travel to the East of the country, avoid travel after dusk and always travel in groups.
· Burundi issued January, 2009. Americans are advised to take extreme care if traveling to Burundi because of the risk of sudden outbreaks of armed violence, acts of banditry, and cross-border incursion by rebel groups.
· Eritrea issued November, 2008. All foreign nationals need special permits to travel outside the capital Asmara. Avoid the border areas between Eritrea and Ethiopia.
· Somalia issued November, 2008. The travel warnings extends to all US citizens traveling to Somaliland as well as Somalia. Inter-clan and inter-factional fighting can flare up with little warning, and kidnapping, murder, and other threats to U.S. citizens and other foreigners can occur unpredictably in many regions.
· Central African Republic(CAR) issued on March, 2008. Americans are urged not to travel anywhere in CAR, the situation is volatile both in the capital and the rest of the country.
· Cote D'Ivoire issued December, 2008. The US government warns of a potentially volatile political situation as well as a high incidence of violent car-jackings, muggings and robberies.
· Nigeria issued December, 2008. This travel warning is mainly for the Niger Delta region of the country although the US considers the high level of crime throughout Nigeria reason enough to warn its citizens against travel there.
· Algeria issued August, 2008. Terrorist attacks have increased again in Algeria and the US Government urges tourists to use reputable hotels and tour companies if they still choose to go.
· Sudan issued October, 2008. while Sudan's civil war is officially over, regions like Darfur and the east of Sudan are still extremely dangerous. Restrictions on travel outside the capital Khartoum are in place for many foreigners.
· Democratic Republic of the Congo issued October, 2008. Random violence and lots of soldiers that still need to be de-mobilized, makes the Congo an unsafe country to visit. Recent violence in Eastern Congo makes this area entirely off-limits to all travelers.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

Our pilots have security transportation to/from hotel and do not leave the hotel due to security problems. They stay w/you Delta guys in LOS so you know the routine if you fly the trip. I have read one pilots brief/tips on flying and he said spray yourself with DEET because there are critters that bite in the day and other critters that bite at night. And that both bite during dusk. I don't know why, but I found that funny.

 

[BLing]

Most of my time was spent in Gabon. As far as these travel warnings from our goverment. Please... They are a joke! Just like everything in America, a big deal is made out of nothing. Ive even read travel warnings to Germany urging caution for sanitation practices and "diseases". Germany is one of the cleanest countries ever, but we need to think America is... Out of the contries on the posted list above, Ive been to Chad and Congo and can tell you I was in no danger. Sure there was a siezed Somoli Illushion 76 on the ramp in N'Djemina Chad because they were having a pissing match with eachother... On a two hour sit in the places mentioned, Id leave the airport at and walk around town. People were very friendly. The most harrasment I ever got anywhere in Africa was either from some 17 yr old girl trying whore herself out, some cop trying con me out of money for not carrying my visa with me or a taxi driver trying to charge me the "white man price" for a fare. Just kindly tell them youre a gay Canadian and to F-Off and thats the end of the story! I was out all hrs of the night wondering around the streets of Africa and have come home without a scratch. You are in more danger in some of our major US cities than in some of these places Delta is about to serve. Now Nigeria, especially Legos is another story. That place is just messed up and you do need to watch your back....

Im not saying its Heaven by any means in these place. What I am saying, is that you will be safe and its something to experience. The people in these places are extremely welcoming and want to make sure you feel at home in their country. And do you remember what it was to be an airline pilot back in the day? Well, Im too young to know, but from what I hear it was a highly respected position. Youll get that respect when you step foot over there.

On a final note, bring the bug spray and wear it just prior to sunset. Malaria is common over there. A mosquito bite doesnt mean your going to get malaria. Malaria is only carried by a select few mosquitos. There is no need for any malaria prophylaxis. They are a waste of money, require you take them a month before travel and a month after and practically kill you while taking them. Deet at night is good enough. I would recomend going to an African pharmacy and purchasing malaria medication called Coartem or something similar. I suggest purchasing it before you leave and bringing it back home since malaria symptoms can take a while to develop. Since malaria is virtually non existant here, Dr's might misdiagnose you. So if you start getting any flu like symptoms, start popping Coartem every 3 hrs for 3 days, stay hydrated and you will be cured! Ive never had to take it, but know a few who have. They were the ones not wearing their bug spray at night.

 

[fishguy79]

Guys did Delta start LAX-GRU nonstop or did the company abandon plans for this route???

Not a daily service but it does start in July

 

[Varig]

Thanks for the replies. I was just curious....