Xna-lax

[PacoPollo]

Eagle will start service in August from XNA to LAX with CRJ700
and APA is very happy!!!

 

[Heavy Set]

The pilots may win but the passengers will lose - I can't imagine sitting on that thing for more than 2 hours. The overhead bins couldn't be smaller. Way to go AA - great to know you have the passengers' comfort in mind!

 

[cl-65link]

AA isn't the only company with passenger comfort in mind, not. Try MSP-JAX,MSP-RIC, or MSP-ORF. All these are current Airlink(Pinnacle) routes. These routes are all 50 or 44 seat routes. I'm gald I sit up front.

 

[General Lee]

The main reason AA Eagle is starting that route is for the business passenger flying to the Wallmart headquarters in Bentonville (part of XNA---Fayettville, Bentonville, and Rodgers). I don't think AA could sustain an MD80 on the route, and it is smart business. If the route becomes more popular, I am sure AA will put something larger on it. This is what RJ's are supposed to do---start new markets and hopefully expand the routes for mainline eventually. I think it is a good idea. (And, I believe the furloughed AA pilots will eventually be flying the CRJ70's anyways)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[h25b]

I think I'd take the direct flight on the RJ any day over connecting through Dallas, St. Louis, Chicago, or anywhere else.

Besides, from the passenger perspective, the seat comfort ranks somewhere behind getting there somewhere in the vicinity of on time...

 

[PacoPollo]

The main reason AA Eagle is starting that route is for the busines (And, I believe the furloughed AA pilots will eventually be flying the CRJ70's anyways)

Bye Bye--General Lee:cooL

scAAbs.....

 

[General Lee]

Paco,

Why are they ScAAbs? You guys had a flow up (That wasn't exactly fair), and now they are flowing down. The same thing is happening at COEX, but they actually stopped the flow up before 9-11, and now they are flowing down after the fact. It was a crappy deal on your part, but the Eagle guys signed a 16 year (or whatever) contract and agreed to the flow up/down. That does suck. Why again are they scabs?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[resistance]

Hey General Lee isn't there some Comair/ASA issue that is waiting for your reply. You don't have a clue what is going on over at AMR and your imput is really not warrented here because we all know it will turn around into a Delta/Comair/ASA/RAPA round-about.

I will agree with you on the matter of the intent of the RJ's which is to breakground on new routes and if profitable put larger A/C's on the route. Also I will agree that getting a direct route to a destination is much less stressful than connecting in a major hub.

 

[yaks]

xna-lax

resistance

General Lee speaks the truth. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't make him wrong.

 

[General Lee]

resistance,

Jeez, I always thought this was an open forum that allowed everyone to state their views or opinions. I have many friends who hate it over at Eagle and they tell me about it often. I like the part of your response telling me to stay out of it, but then you agree with me on several other points. Ummmm, ok.

And to Yaks, thanks for your support.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cardinal]

Everytime the word "scab" is used in an incorrect manner it cheapens the term's application in it's gravest context, a withdrawal of service. Please stop.

 

[resistance]

General Lee -

Without getting into a huge debate over the terms of our Letter 3/ APA's Supplement W their are things done over there that are borderline criminal.

First off for the rational of the ScAAb term I think it really does fit the events for this reason. The APA "high command" decidied all by itself to "alter" the terms of their Supplement W with AMR and not include the Eagle MEC in the talks with AMR Management. This in itself violates our 4 party agreement with the flow-through. The Letter 3/Supplement W was a four party agreement between American Air/AMR Eagle/APA/Eagle ALPA.

So in summary they are ScAAbs since they "tried" to steal our jobs by negotiating with AMR and not including Eagle ALPA in the discussions. Another back door deal that is soooo typical for AMR senior managment that stinks like Enron.

I have no problem (zero issues) with the flow-up/flow-down letter/supplement (current issue not APA's TA), however since we only have about 450 Eagle Capts with AA numbers on this side of the fence than ONLY 450 AA people sould come back down to Eagle. Not the 2500 pilots that APA has tried to convince AMR they should get to come back. Now can you see the real issue we are facing here. I think the term fits. They are "trying" to take our work from us without approval from our union leadership and under the current terms of our contract. That right there is the definition of a scab.

 

[PacoPollo]

Well said......Dont sweat it much though, lots of APA primadonnas dont have a clue of whats going on.

 

[enigma]

That right there is the definition of a scab.

While I appreciate the info you provided about AA, I can't agree about the definition of a scab. A scab is a *&n#&^( `*$#, etc, s.o.b. who takes a job from a striking worker. If you guys strike and the AA furloughees cross your line, then and only then will they be scabs.

regards,
8N

BTW, I do strongly disagree with what is happening to you. I think ALPA owes you a refund.

 

[Heavy Set]

Resistance,

COEX is having the same problem. Many of their flow downs have never flown at COEX, and they even banned the flow up procedure before 9-11, and then allowed the flow down anyways after 9-11.

 

[resistance]

I wish this "flow-up/flow-down" issue was dead. However the mainline boys think that RJ pilots don't have the talent to fly the big iron. Plus they want there military friends to start in the high paying jobs (Airbus,MD-80,757 etc..). So here we are two class social system that we fight like cats and dogs. That's fine I can live by that but would life for all of us (121 pilots) be easier if we flew for our carrier we all on the same level? If I flew Continental Passengers then I was a Continental Pilot. (Insert United,NWA,USAir etc...) We are all at fault for letting this "farming out" of our jobs via American Connection, Continental Connection, MESA, Trans States, whatever... This just lets management continue to divide and conquer our jobs and profession. The only fix I see is that if you fly a United passenge you should be a United pilot. (insert any airline into the line)

 

[Heavy Set]

Resistance,

I think the "RJ boys" are flying the big iron---I saw one of those Mesa CRJ-900's yesterday and thought America West had an MD-80. That thing was very long. Also, some of those RJ pilots did go up to the majors and flew the mainline aircraft in the flow up. But, these troubled times have forced some to flow back. As long as there is an equal amount flowing forward and back, I have no problem with it. But, AA furloughing 2500 more down and COEX recieving more flow downs and not allowing additional flow ups after this is over is wrong I believe.