XLS+ at Netjets and Citationshares - Questions

[Outta Here]

Hey General go back to your Delta boards

 

[T-1GUY]

...BTW, you should be nice to this Regional Captain since he may be flying you to your week long boring standby in Burlington next tour...


Bye Bye--General Lee

I think you got this one backwards. The regional Captain and yourself should be thanking Netjets for being one of your biggest paying customers...

 

[Av9r]

+1 T-1

WTF Is wrong with airline people? They all think they are so great and that their paying customers owe them respect and gratitude. They should be grateful every day that they have a job due to all the pilots, businesspeople and vacationers who buy tickets. We owe them [email protected]. And I am sick of their attitude. I get better treatement even at McDonalds and Wal-Mart.

 

[RNObased]

Hey look, Yosemite actually answered Johnsonrod's questions, which was very nice of him. It is amazing that you could not, or would not. I think you need an attitude adjustment, and you should think about it while sitting at your FBO hot standby. BTW, your quote above says "You are are a moron." Flusterd MUCH?


Bye Bye--General Lee

No, I'm fine. I'm not flustered at all, attitude is good, just sick of people like you that think they know something vomiting their BS onto the message boards. BTW, you are still a moron. Go back to the major's board and spout off there.

 

[BoilerUP]

Biggest disappointment to me personally is that they did not build a similar wing to the Soveriegn or Encore+. There is no change on speed limitations as built and with a new wing, it could have been a .80 airplane... the one failing of this jet.

I beat on Cessna folks A LOT about that when we were taking delivery of our new jet this spring. Cessna loves derivative airframes, so taking the XLS fuselage & engines and putting a wing somewhere in between the Sovereign and the CJ4 would allow it to have higher speeds and longer range without compromising too much on its field capability.

That fuselage with a 2000nm+ range while going .78-.80M would sell like hotcakes if the price point stayed in the 12-13M ballpark.

The folks at Cessna said something about a recession, job cuts, a better-performing Excel infringing on Sovereign sales, something about a "Super-X", and how the CJ4 will be all that and a bag of potato chips.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The Encore+ is a pretty sweet avionics setup

The Pro Line 21 setup is nice. Sadly, no more new EP's for NetJets or others given that Cessna is longer building them.

But back to your regularly-scheduled thread. We'll have to see when (if?) NetJets ever takes XLS+'s.

 

[General Lee]

I think you got this one backwards. The regional Captain and yourself should be thanking Netjets for being one of your biggest paying customers...

That is one thing that I think is so ironic, and funny at the same time. You NJA guys love to bash airline people, yet you have to fly on us at least twice a tour. Sure, you get Rudy's beef tenderloin when you are sitting at TEB, but on us you get biskoff cookies if you don't get the upgrade to first class originally....... and, Netjet's is looking for the cheapest walkup fare they can get, and that often means you need to traverse through hubs instead of going nonstop to your home. You know I am right! Have a great one, and listen to the stew please when she asks you if you speak English and can perform the duties sitting next to an emergency exit. Also, don't be afraid to wave at me from the terminal window, I am the FO in that large 767 nuzzled close to the window. I may even wave back.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

+1 T-1

WTF Is wrong with airline people? They all think they are so great and that their paying customers owe them respect and gratitude. They should be grateful every day that they have a job due to all the pilots, businesspeople and vacationers who buy tickets. We owe them [email protected]. And I am sick of their attitude. I get better treatement even at McDonalds and Wal-Mart.

Some of the cockiest pilots I have ever met were some NJA people who got first class upgrades and got all hoity toity, expecting the same service their billionaire customers get after they pay millions to get it. (buying a share in a F2TH) Well, thanks to Congress, more executives are flying airlines again, and pushing you back to coach, which is unfortunate I guess. Hey, how many times have you BOUGHT a ticket while flying for Netjets? You yourself, actually buying it? Face it, Netjets is looking for the cheapest walkup fare they can find, and you don't always get to go home nonstop. Get off your high horse and please board when your zone is called.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jppt2000]

That is one thing that I think is so ironic, and funny at the same time. You NJA guys love to bash airline people, yet you have to fly on us at least twice a tour. Sure, you get Rudy's beef tenderloin when you are sitting at TEB, but on us you get biskoff cookies if you don't get the upgrade to first class originally....... and, Netjet's is looking for the cheapest walkup fare they can get, and that often means you need to traverse through hubs instead of going nonstop to your home. You know I am right! Have a great one, and listen to the stew please when she asks you if you speak English and can perform the duties sitting next to an emergency exit. Also, don't be afraid to wave at me from the terminal window, I am the FO in that large 767 nuzzled close to the window. I may even wave back.


Bye Bye--General Lee

The vast majority of NJA folks don't act like you just described.
Should I view all Delta pilots as idiots just because of the few disingenuous, ignorant posts of General Lee?
Nope.
I would rather consider this as a clear demonstration of another anonymous idiot in search of a village.
Rudy's tenderloin? LMAO
I'd much rather be at home with family and friends, you can suck up all the glory you need in that 767 .

 

[CA1900]

Hey, how many times have you BOUGHT a ticket while flying for Netjets? You yourself, actually buying it?

At least a couple of times a month. The company books me a refundable flight home on Delta, and I cancel it in accordance with our contract. I then take that money and buy myself a ticket home on Alaska, an airline that genuinely appreciates our business.

 

[General Lee]

The vast majority of NJA folks don't act like you just described.
Should I view all Delta pilots as idiots just because of the few disingenuous, ignorant posts of General Lee?
Nope.
I would rather consider this as a clear demonstration of another anonymous idiot in search of a village.
Rudy's tenderloin? LMAO
I'd much rather be at home with family and friends, you can suck up all the glory you need in that 767 .

Oh come on now Hillary Clinton (It takes a Village), I think many do act pompus since they are used to that treatment from FBOs who need to sell you gas. I just think it is great that you get sent back to reality at least twice a tour on the airlines. Hey, if you wanted to actually sit in the back of a Falcon 2000 as an owner, you would have gone to Harvard! We all made that mistake. Oh well. BTW, the 767 is pretty nice to fly, and I can do jumping jacks in the cockpit. Take care!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

At least a couple of times a month. The company books me a refundable flight home on Delta, and I cancel it in accordance with our contract. I then take that money and buy myself a ticket home on Alaska, an airline that genuinely appreciates our business.

If you are on a widely used fleet (like the C750) you may be out of range to fly Alaska Air all of the time. Try doing that next time you end a tour in Dothan, AL or Tulsa, OK. And hey, we appreciate your business. I'll make sure to throw you a Dasani water from the cockpit the next time I see you...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jppt2000]

Oh come on now Hillary Clinton (It takes a Village), I think many do act pompus since they are used to that treatment from FBOs who need to sell you gas. I just think it is great that you get sent back to reality at least twice a tour on the airlines. Hey, if you wanted to actually sit in the back of a Falcon 2000 as an owner, you would have gone to Harvard! We all made that mistake. Oh well. BTW, the 767 is pretty nice to fly, and I can do jumping jacks in the cockpit. Take care!

Bye Bye--General Lee

You're pretty creepy with the "look at me in my big rig" insinuations.
I still disagree with you about the "pompous" generalization too.
The vast majority of folks at NJA, and probably DAL, do their jobs and go home.
I'm reminded everyday I ride in the back of airliners why my job exists.
Thanks for the memories.
Enjoy the jumping jacks too.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

If you are on a widely used fleet (like the C750) you may be out of range to fly Alaska Air all of the time. Try doing that next time you end a tour in Dothan, AL or Tulsa, OK. And hey, we appreciate your business. I'll make sure to throw you a Dasani water from the cockpit the next time I see you...


Bye Bye--General Lee

Having rode your 76 back and forth to europe all the time in a previous life, I can't help but laugh thinking back to all of those trips where your grandma's in business class could barely muster the energy to serve a glass of wine or take an order for dinner....man those were the days!

My last trip over to Istanbul, the old geezer was shaking so bad with the bottle of wine, the guy next to me grabed it as she poured the bottle in his ear. She proceeded to try that little trick with the rest of business until she got a call from the bullpen. Yep....it was 80 year old number 2 who was gonna save the day and help with the oh so difficult task of pouring a glass of wine.

Not trying to piss on your parade, were all trying to survive, but your mighty operation isnt exactly the poster child for quality. I will pass on the new york tap water (dassani)..Fiji works just fine!

 

[General Lee]

Having rode your 76 back and forth to europe all the time in a previous life, I can't help but laugh thinking back to all of those trips where your grandma's in business class could barely muster the energy to serve a glass of wine or take an order for dinner....man those were the days!

My last trip over to Istanbul, the old geezer was shaking so bad with the bottle of wine, the guy next to me grabed it as she poured the bottle in his ear. She proceeded to try that little trick with the rest of business until she got a call from the bullpen. Yep....it was 80 year old number 2 who was gonna save the day and help with the oh so difficult task of pouring a glass of wine.

Not trying to piss on your parade, were all trying to survive, but your mighty operation isnt exactly the poster child for quality. I will pass on the new york tap water (dassani)..Fiji works just fine!

I cannot disagree with you about the age of some stews. There is no retirement age, as you probably have guessed. Most of them travel over to exotic lands with their friends of 40 years and go shopping. Why would they ever want to retire? I can't blame them. Maybe you can tell them to retire, when they are spilling wine all over you. Get a critique form and write them up. It would be like killing your own grandma. Go for it if you want to. I don't really deal with them much, I just get my own sodas, and when I get a rest break I usually have my food waiting for me. It sure beats domestic flying, even though the stews are usually younger in that arena. Also, our NYC stews may surprise you---most are newhire speakers (foreign languages), so they don't have more than 1 year total with the company, and usually aren't jaded like the grandma you wrote about. If you don't like something, again, write a critique and send it in.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You're pretty creepy with the "look at me in my big rig" insinuations.
I still disagree with you about the "pompous" generalization too.
The vast majority of folks at NJA, and probably DAL, do their jobs and go home.
I'm reminded everyday I ride in the back of airliners why my job exists.
Thanks for the memories.
Enjoy the jumping jacks too.

Creepy? How about SPOT ON. We all do our jobs and go home, and some like you and me go on websites and type about it. Capt Dad stated once that NJA was recesion proof, and that unfortunately doesn't seem to be the case, especially thanks to Congress and their slamming of CEOs and their greedy practices. Your job still exists, but it isn't a sure thing anymore. (just like our jobs at the airlines) Hopefully your future memories will all be good ones from your future airline flying. And, those jumping jacks do come in handy about half way across the pond.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

Some of the cockiest pilots I have ever met were some NJA people who got first class upgrades and got all hoity toity, expecting the same service their billionaire customers get after they pay millions to get it. (buying a share in a F2TH) Well, thanks to Congress, more executives are flying airlines again, and pushing you back to coach, which is unfortunate I guess. Hey, how many times have you BOUGHT a ticket while flying for Netjets? You yourself, actually buying it? Face it, Netjets is looking for the cheapest walkup fare they can find, and you don't always get to go home nonstop. Get off your high horse and please board when your zone is called.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Lee, do you ask other business people who travel on an airliner if they bought their ticket? All of the busniess types I know don't buy their ticket, but their company does. Just the same as my employeer does for me. I am not traveling for fun, but on business and that's the data your company and other like to see. When other companies cut their travel budgets; mine did not.
Also, each time my employeer buys a ticket to me to travel the ticket is bought on my company card. I then amass the points on the card and the FF points as well. I recently took a trip to another country via points on my tickets (two) and stayed at an all-inclusive on points. All thanks to my employeer too.
You say have met some cocky NJA pilots and there are some here. I have equally met some cocky airline pilots. I've personally know friends that are doctors, cops, lawyers, and teachers that are cocky as hell. Brother, they're everywhere.
Funny how some of the "talkers" here on this board would never say what they half of what they write here to the face of another. Some simply hide behind a funny name and a laptop. Not sure if you fit that mold or not, but it is easy to bash people.
Hey, have fun flying the 76 and heading off to some cool places. I am sure you do hit some fun places. Remember, it could all cease tomorrow for whatever reason. That's why it's called a job whether we like the term or not.

 

[jppt2000]

Creepy? How about SPOT ON. We all do our jobs and go home, and some like you and me go on websites and type about it. Capt Dad stated once that NJA was recesion proof, and that unfortunately doesn't seem to be the case, especially thanks to Congress and their slamming of CEOs and their greedy practices. Your job still exists, but it isn't a sure thing anymore. (just like our jobs at the airlines) Hopefully your future memories will all be good ones from your future airline flying. And, those jumping jacks do come in handy about half way across the pond.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow, what a rhetorical bunch of crap.uke:
Capt. Dad didn't speak for me or for my fellow 3100+ (soon to be) union bothers and sisters.
Just because he got his jollies spouting off on the industry he knew little of, didn't mean we all agreed.
Just like you spouting off, doesn't mean you speak for the rest of Delta, or the industry.
Wow, your seniority lets you hold pond crossings, and you think you're special
You have removed any doubt in my mind, you are a village idiot.

 

[cjdriver]

I'm sure there are ego maniac pilots at NJA, ala the General. I'm just betting they're ex regional guys/wanna be Generals. Myself, it's the weekend, so I'm home. I may go out and take the Beech up for a while, but then again, maybe not. Enjoy the road....

 

[RNObased]

Wow, what a rhetorical bunch of crap.uke:
Capt. Dad didn't speak for me or for my fellow 3100+ (soon to be) union bothers and sisters.
Just because he got his jollies spouting off on the industry he knew little of, didn't mean we all agreed.
Just like you spouting off, doesn't mean you speak for the rest of Delta, or the industry.
Wow, your seniority lets you hold pond crossings, and you think you're special
You have removed any doubt in my mind, you are a village idiot.

Exactly General, I'm sorry if Capt. Dad pissed you off with his spouting of BS, I would gringe everytime he posted for a long time also. There is no such job as recession proof.

But you are very special, you say that NJA has a bad rep of being holier then thou, have you talked to people at other airlines about the guys where you work?? Or don't you want to know the truth.