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79%N1 said:
The problem with this segment of the industry is that is has NO WAY to increase revenue. The majors play these price slashing, low balling games and REDUCE their revenue intake, all while their longevity costs go up year after year. The only way to keep up is to reduce costs. This model is dead, and everybody needs to get out. Let Delta find another way to connect their passengers. Maybe they think they can beef up Pinnacle and GoJets just enough to do the flying they want done. Let them see if they can. Skywest's only long-term mode of survival is to go alone or buy all the others in the market to eliminate the competition and hoard all the qualified pilots.
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Then they need to merge us. Does Jerry really think he is saving money keeping us separate. Maybe up until now.

But the only answer is to merge the 3 carriers, I'm all for dumping ALPA, and buying another regional or two. Then tell Delta how it's going to be.
 
Scare tactics, concessions, and ultimately bankruptcy have always been the "easy" way out. The cat's outta the bag. The job is no longer worth the cost to become qualified to perform it and hasn't been for a while. Management made this mess so let THEM clean it up.
 
79%N1 said:
The problem with this segment of the industry is that is has NO WAY to increase revenue. The majors play these price slashing, low balling games and REDUCE their revenue intake, all while their longevity costs go up year after year. The only way to keep up is to reduce costs. This model is dead, and everybody needs to get out. Let Delta find another way to connect their passengers. Maybe they think they can beef up Pinnacle and GoJets just enough to do the flying they want done. Let them see if they can. Skywest's only long-term mode of survival is to go alone or buy all the others in the market to eliminate the competition and hoard all the qualified pilots.
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I just did a quick Google search and found that Delta Airlines' year over year revenue growth averaged 14.11% over the past 5 years. Delta is doing just fine, and managed to find enough $$ to give all their pilots some nice fat raises. But they are doing it on the backs of the regionals, who are making less and less per year.

Well, the market is reacting, and the imbalance is starting to self-correct. Delta cannot continue this business model, plain and simple. Delta will see flight after flight simply cancelled, due to lack of regional pilots. At some point, even Delta will realize the need to open up the regional purse strings (even if it means cutbacks elsewhere). Either the regionals will disappear (highly doubtful), or the extreme pay imbalance will disappear. One or the other WILL happen.*

*There is one other possibility, that the majors start some kind of ab-initio program where they sponsor all the pilots they need right out of high-school, as in, DL will pay for all your training, in exchange for maybe 7 years of indentured slave-labor. BUT, due to the 1500/1200/1000 hour rule, such a program would take a couple of years to fully implement, at best. And could they create a big enough ponzi-scheme to provide all the flight-hours necessary for all the applicants? Long term, it would be doubtful. So I really think pilots have the upper hand going forward here.
 
COOPERVANE said:
Then they need to merge us. Does Jerry really think he is saving money keeping us separate. Maybe up until now.

But the only answer is to merge the 3 carriers, I'm all for dumping ALPA, and buying another regional or two. Then tell Delta how it's going to be.
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Amen brutha!!!
 
If this was up to a vote today the ASA side would vote it in by 95%. ASA pilots would make the pinch nickle pilots look strong since it passed by 85%. And for the record I am an ASA pilot unfortunately. Full pay till the last day
 
How do you figure that out? I don't think you're in touch with the real feelings here.
Think again.
NOT A PENNY LESS
UNITED WE STAND
DIVIDED WE FALL!

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rockit85 said:
If this was up to a vote today the ASA side would vote it in by 95%. ASA pilots would make the pinch nickle pilots look strong since it passed by 85%. And for the record I am an ASA pilot unfortunately. Full pay till the last day
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Uh NO. how long have you been here?
 
rockit85 said:
If this was up to a vote today the ASA side would vote it in by 95%. ASA pilots would make the pinch nickle pilots look strong since it passed by 85%. And for the record I am an ASA pilot unfortunately. Full pay till the last day
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Really? ASA has NEVER accepted concessions. Reference 2007, sir.
 
Well the company miss calculated by my estimations. In an early attempt to divide LXJT and LASA with PBS and scheduling topics......they just basically made us one today with a concession threat. Whoops, at least that is the silver lining I see
 
Oakum_Boy said:
This is kind of predictable
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I agree--have we ever seen negotiations go smoothly at this company? It was about time for them to let us know about their low-ball "sky is falling" position.

So what do you predict will happen next? I predict stalemate followed by some kind of pilot initiative to "fly as safely as possible" followed by management offer to have fewer concessions, maybe even current rates if we're really, really good.

After that, it's anybody's guess how this turns out short term, but I see no reason to fall on the sword at this time. Like I said, if we can out-wait management, they will eventually come begging to give us more money, just to keep the planes in the air.
 
Just a number....you are correct. We can wait.
Also, this has indeed backfired, and brought LASA and LXJT together with a unified goal.
NO CONCESSIONS
NOT A PENNY LESS
STAND FIRM TOGETHER!

and above all....Fly Safe!

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Thebadcat1313 said:
This is where we could really use the support of SkyWest pilots. Our brothers and sisters at SkyWest need to see this, they are using them to drive wages, overall compensation down. And SkyWest people, please understand that if St. George is somehow successful, you're next in the spiral. We need your help and support, desperately.
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You should see the propaganda our student council (SAPA) is pushing. Graphs that show us as the most expensive pilots in the regional industry and a yearly column chart indicating the numbers of aircraft coming off contract. Also shows yearly numbers of XJT/ASA aircraft on expiring contracts. They're buttering us up for a "no net gain" pay package. Scare tactics galore. Sounds like management is going to push hard to getRdone before the end of the year so the rank and file won't yet be aware of the paycut coming in January.
 
here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-4.5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY

And of course, No loose language!
 
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Well, Go jets and Endeavor can have 'em if they can staff 'em!

Let mainline go pound sand.

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