XJT and Skywest in talks again?

[MYFpilot]

...and the pilot agreement needed to be changed,

You mean "contract", when refering to Expressjet pilots. It's the SkyWest pilots that have an "agreement". A minor but important point.

 

[Nevets]

You mean "contract", when refering to Expressjet pilots. It's the SkyWest pilots that have an "agreement". A minor but important point.

Its not a minor point. I don't think they do it consciously though. They seem to refer to CBAs as either agreements and or PWAs.

 

[Future Furlough]

True, they didn't have to. But it was a major factor that the XJT BOD took into consideration when they decided to turn down the offer. Had the pilots been onboard with it, I would guess that the deal would have went through at the original proposed price.

I would agree with you except for one thing. The XJT BOD turned down the first offer before the pilots knew anything about either the offer, or its requirements to change the CBA. The official line was, and remains, that stockholders didn't get enough $$$ from the deal.

 

[XPOO]

You mean "contract", when refering to Expressjet pilots. It's the SkyWest pilots that have an "agreement". A minor but important point.

Grammar police? Long Time Gone's second login? Excuse me, contract.

 

[Future Furlough]

Again, here you go with the "my chitty regional airline job is better than yours" argument. You can bet you bottom dollar(and you have). CAL took the lowest price deal they could.PBR

CAL got what they wanted. They no longer have to feel like they are subsidizing the branded side of the operation, and they get control back of at least 29 of 69 airframes they gave up in Dec 2006.

 

[XPOO]

I would agree with you except for one thing. The XJT BOD turned down the first offer before the pilots knew anything about either the offer, or its requirements to change the CBA. The official line was, and remains, that stockholders didn't get enough $$$ from the deal.

Stock worth $1.15 right now. JA offered three times that initially. I maintain that XJT tried to holdout for a better offer and never got one. Kind of like the Twins did with Santana this past off-season. Also, like the Santana deal, when the crunch was on the offers became less.

Regardless, the BOD knew the pilots would not accept the deal, as stated in the 8k filing, so their hands were pretty much tied in that aspect.

 

[Future Furlough]

Stock worth $1.15 right now. JA offered three times that initially. I maintain that XJT tried to holdout for a better offer and never got one. Kind of like the Twins did with Santana this past off-season. Also, like the Santana deal, when the crunch was on the offers became less.

Kinda thought that is what I said. Can no one get in the last word with you?

 

[Nevets]

Regardless, the BOD knew the pilots would not accept the deal, as stated in the 8k filing, so their hands were pretty much tied in that aspect.

Thank God. The Holding Letter and Scope clause did its job!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

CAL got what they wanted. They no longer have to feel like they are subsidizing the branded side of the operation, and they get control back of at least 29 of 69 airframes they gave up in Dec 2006.

And my question still is, How much is it gonna cost you guys?
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Kinda thought that is what I said. Can no one get in the last word with you?

Yes, you may.

 

[Nevets]

And my question still is, How much is it gonna cost you guys?
PBR

That remains to be seen. But they are asking all employee groups for 5%.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Ya know...it's over. Can't we just drop it and move on to putting all of our collective thoughts into hoping for the demise of Mesa? I mean, c'mon, MESA SUCKS!

Also...

In case you forgot... Raptor Jesus loves you.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Allow me this: Good grief, much of this is all vector and no thrust.

 

[Future Furlough]

Now, had the pilots accepted JA offer, would it have left you open for whipsaw? Sure. I believe it would have, too. Would it have actually happened? All you can do is speculate. See, I don't drink the kool-aid as much as you think.

Ah, but speculation is so much fun. Recent history may answer the question of what would have happened. Did ASA grow, shrink, or stagnate after the SKW buyout? Is the change at ASA commensurate with the change at SKW?

If there was no intention of using the whipsaw, then there would have been no need to ask for changes to the CBA.

 

[Future Furlough]

And my question still is, How much is it gonna cost you guys?
PBR

I'm hoping to keep my firstborn. There was no guarantee that SKW would have let me keep it, either.:0

 

[XPOO]

Ah, but speculation is so much fun. Recent history may answer the question of what would have happened. Did ASA grow, shrink, or stagnate after the SKW buyout? Is the change at ASA commensurate with the change at SKW?

If there was no intention of using the whipsaw, then there would have been no need to ask for changes to the CBA.

Is ASA not the most improved airline over the past 6 months? Are they not enjoying bonus checks and such? Did they not complete their contract?

ASA needed a complete overhaul of their management and operations. Now that they have begun to do that, I feel they are in an excellent position to be a player in the market for any future growth there may be.

I believe that Stifler's Mom and USCTrojan would agree.

 

[Nevets]

Did they not complete their contract?

Keep in mind that it took SKW management years before coming to an agreement with ASA pilots. It was only because the NMB required JA to be there at the final bargaining session and come to an agreement or deal with the ASA pilots being released to a cooling off period. If only they would have come to an agreement earlier they could have been benefiting from SKW's excellent operational performance.

Sorry for the thread drift but I just want to keep pointing out that considering the ASA contract negotiations and what SKW management wanted to do with XJT, they are simply anti-labor proven by their actions. Granted that there are many better examples of anti-labor management groups out there.

 

[Speedtape]

Is ASA not the most improved airline over the past 6 months? Are they not enjoying bonus checks and such? Did they not complete their contract?

ASA needed a complete overhaul of their management and operations. Now that they have begun to do that, I feel they are in an excellent position to be a player in the market for any future growth there may be.

I believe that Stifler's Mom and USCTrojan would agree.

Speedtape agrees! Not ready to sip the Kool-Aid yet but the PROOF IS in the Pudding! Give me a spoon-- the Kool-Aid is next!

The employee group was an untapped resource and fertile ground for change--we just needed Leadership! Brad Holt, and Skywest Inc, so far, has DELIVERED! That has been the difference!

 

[Future Furlough]

Is ASA not the most improved airline over the past 6 months? Are they not enjoying bonus checks and such? Did they not complete their contract?

ASA needed a complete overhaul of their management and operations. Now that they have begun to do that, I feel they are in an excellent position to be a player in the market for any future growth there may be.

Not arguing that. Did ASA not lose two bases? Did they not lose the CRJ900s they were supposed to get? Are they not smaller than they were?

Yes, operationally they have improved. But all growth has gone, continues to, and will continue to go to SKW (assuming there is any growth to be had anywhere).

[Delta Newsroom:
In response to rising fuel costs, the company is adding to previously announced plans to reduce domestic capacity by 10 percent year over year in the second half this year and now plans for total domestic capacity reductions of 13 percent in the second half of 2008. As previously announced, Delta plans to remove the equivalent of 15-20 mainline and 60-70 regional jet aircraft from its operation by the end of 2008.
http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11094 ]

Our problem is not our operations (expect for terminal A in Newark, but that isn't up to us). And I'm tired of being told that I have to give up my hard won meager salary if I'm to keep my job, because at some point, it just isn't worth it anymore.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Speedtape agrees! Not ready to sip the Kool-Aid yet but the PROOF IS in the Pudding! Give me a spoon-- the Kool-Aid is next!

Mmmm...pudding sounds goooood.

However, if you want to stay in the same Utah vibe as the SkyWest Kool-Aid...allow me to suggest some Jell-O.