XJ MEC says we are done talking

[xjlifer]

Latest email says thats it unless the "slt" makes some movement we are done talking.

Might be time to flush this turd.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Good Luck XJ guys. A damn shame. Most XJ guys I talked to before the whole crapstorm started were talked like they were fairly happy. It's amazing to me how this industry can turn on a dollar and reach back for a dime and then screw it's employees.

 

[kmox29]

Even though I left Mesaba in June, I still hate that management group with a passion. Best of luck to everyone at XJ. Fcuk Spanjers.

 

[schmitty340]

how do you like my avitar? it is a picture of spanjers holding my baby girl in bankrupcy court. Isn't she cute!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Latest email says thats it unless the "slt" makes some movement we are done talking.

Might be time to flush this turd.

It was time to flush this turd in October when the whole scam started. Think anyone can talk Mr Ed into getting the rest of this SLT to Dubai with him?

 

[xjgearbtch]

shut it down. at least I'll get a paise raise when I go to another regional, in comparison to the paycut they want us to take.

love my fellow employees, hate my management.

 

[OttoPilot]

Will (lack of) management's response be to start the clock ticking to impose?

NWA and AFA are in court today to decide if a strike is legal.

 

[XJohXJ]

If the NWA FA's are denied the right to strike, I think we can all assume the XJ evil SLT will start the clock ticking pronto.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

If mesaba strikes, I say we at pinnacle strike with them, who cares if we don't have the right. Just shut the whole system down, let them give all our airplanes to compass and chautauqua and we can all move on. good luck mesaba guys! We are behind you even if some of you aren't behind us.

 

[Northern Lights]

Maybe all of the pilots could get "sick" on the same day...

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Detroit22, If you have had the chance to read the ALPA mag this month I believe that is one of the main points that was expressed. If XJ (or NWA FA's) are not allowed to self help then labor everywhere takes a major blow. Work stoppage across the industry, (in my own opinion) is the only way to preserve resprect. The inability of labor to protect ones self in the bankruptcy process can not be allowed. Someone said that the 1113c process is intended to encourage negotiations between labor and mgt. However, a ruling of this nature would provide for an unfair advantage in favor of mgt. Anyone ever see Newsies?? And if that doesn't work Les Mis (without all the lovey dovey) cya

 

[Mysteryofflight]

Don't forget even if we win the right to strike in court, the Prez can force an injunction like Clinton did to AA. We're not outta da woods yet, but as an XJer Furloughed Feb 15th I'd be more then happy to walk the line with the rest of ya!

 

[goahead]

Lets all strike on Aug 15th..... yea so what if it's my b-day

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Maybe the Pres should tell XJ they can't implement those terms and force them to negotiate......otherwise I don't really think what he says matters. Oh-yeah, which shoulder do we carry the sign on?

 

[XJohXJ]

The New York Judge just DELAYED his ruling on whether or not to issue his injunction against the right to strike of the NWA FA's. The newspaper did not say why the judge decided to delay. It just keeps going and going and going and going....

 

[Hulk Hogan]

waiting for the deposit to show up in the off shore account. Darn NWA can't even get their payoffs ontime!

 

[ex j-41]

Don't you now wish you voted for a president that was more interested in his fellow americans than some Oil rich country on the other side of the world?

In order to get out of this mess we need a PRO LABOR president. Elect your congressman that is pro union and see we all can live like a republican if we vote democrat!

 

[xjhawk]

well, its amazing that since NWA has the right to increase its 76 seat regional feeder.....in essence, make a crap load of money when they get a fleet of those planes running, that NWA has not started that ball a rolling.......in other words, what are they waiting for?

I am sure, there are a few regionals out there, like mesa or Chitaqua who could undercut XJ, so why have they not gone with them? well, i will think they are waiting......well, lets make them wait some more.

Some of my thoughts on this matter.

I think this whole thing is a sham, NWA MAIR and MESAba. I at first said i would not sign anything short of a payraise.

Then i was frustrated, listened to my union rep tell me that they had in fact proposed cuts, and then gave it some thought, then thought i could stomach a 5-8 % paycut if they came with some aircraft.........but i felt like it was a sellout......and was pissed at myself but just wanted this entire thing over with....

Now, it seems to me, that MR woerth has stepped in and told our MEC chair, Mr wychor that signing a substandard contract was unacceptable (which is funny since he signed so many of those in the past few years.......whats ALPA nationals agenda?) that entire thing seems fishy.....except when under attack, it seems when you are desperate, you seem to be able to accept help from those who might not have your own best interest at heart.....but i really wish ALPA national had us regional pilots best wishes at heart....

NOW what i feel.....i say we do exactly as we did when they offered us those CRJ's, we just say no thanks to the cuts and negotiations, give them a list of our terms which we will work with, and walk until they can come to terms with it. Oh, and here is an idea, have Pinnacles MEC and our MEC put the same request in, say we will not undercut one another, and both walk out. Who give a crap about any railway labor act, its all a big corporate tool anyways........and screw this industry...........dam....maybe just screw XJ and NWA can i say screw on this forum.......sorry i guess

 

[Detroitpilot22]

well, its amazing that since NWA has the right to increase its 76 seat regional feeder.....in essence, make a crap load of money when they get a fleet of those planes running, that NWA has not started that ball a rolling.......in other words, what are they waiting for?

I am sure, there are a few regionals out there, like mesa or Chitaqua who could undercut XJ, so why have they not gone with them? well, i will think they are waiting......well, lets make them wait some more.

Some of my thoughts on this matter.

I think this whole thing is a sham, NWA MAIR and MESAba. I at first said i would not sign anything short of a payraise.

Then i was frustrated, listened to my union rep tell me that they had in fact proposed cuts, and then gave it some thought, then thought i could stomach a 5-8 % paycut if they came with some aircraft.........but i felt like it was a sellout......and was pissed at myself but just wanted this entire thing over with....

Now, it seems to me, that MR woerth has stepped in and told our MEC chair, Mr wychor that signing a substandard contract was unacceptable (which is funny since he signed so many of those in the past few years.......whats ALPA nationals agenda?) that entire thing seems fishy.....except when under attack, it seems when you are desperate, you seem to be able to accept help from those who might not have your own best interest at heart.....but i really wish ALPA national had us regional pilots best wishes at heart....

NOW what i feel.....i say we do exactly as we did when they offered us those CRJ's, we just say no thanks to the cuts and negotiations, give them a list of our terms which we will work with, and walk until they can come to terms with it. Oh, and here is an idea, have Pinnacles MEC and our MEC put the same request in, say we will not undercut one another, and both walk out. Who give a crap about any railway labor act, its all a big corporate tool anyways........and screw this industry...........dam....maybe just screw XJ and NWA can i say screw on this forum.......sorry i guess

Amen, you have taken the words right out of my mouth. I am sick and tired of having to play by "rules" when management can do whatever they want. What your management is trying to do to you is the lowest i have ever seen, and the fact that our management asked our captains to take a paycut to pay for our F/O's pathetic raises that they offered?

I really wish we would just strike together.

 

[Dodge]

Don't you now wish you voted for a president that was more interested in his fellow americans than some Oil rich country on the other side of the world?

In order to get out of this mess we need a PRO LABOR president. Elect your congressman that is pro union and see we all can live like a republican if we vote democrat!

Who should the pilots vote for? Tree Hugger and Fossil Fuel hater Gore???? Planes burn gas don't they??? We are the enemy. Wake up, fool. Dems say they are the party for the oppressed (insert minority status here) and desperately hope that they can keep the conditions poor for the afore mentioned minority so as they can keep getting the votes. Republicans aren't any better either.

Go hijack a DL v. ASA thread.

As far as XJ goes....don't strike, just quit. Don't work for imposed wages. The XJ pilots did not willingly sign up for a Mesa contract when they were hired in the 1990's.

 

[flyboyike]

Don't you now wish you voted for a president that was more interested in his fellow americans than some Oil rich country on the other side of the world?

In order to get out of this mess we need a PRO LABOR president. Elect your congressman that is pro union and see we all can live like a republican if we vote democrat!

Who was the last pro labor president?

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Hawk, you must be at the end of a very large bottle! DTW22 hit the nail on the head when he spoke of unity among the Links. All bickering needs to stop among us (9E and XJ) and begin fighting for a common goal. I believe 9E has as much to lose with a bad XJ contract. A bad contract at XJ gives NWA and 9E mgt the leverage during their contract talks. cya

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The fight is from the bottom up. You can only work for those wages for so long.

 

[kmox29]

The fight is from the bottom up.

...and the creation of Compass will aid you in that fight...

 

[Dodge]

Hulk,

You are correct, my friend. A poor imposed or signed concessionary contract at XJ is death for the Pinnacle pilots hope for voting in a decent and liveable contract. I can just hear the 9E negotiators now. "Just look what NW did to Mesaba! You better work for the same as Mesa/Mesaba or less, or you can expect the same fate."

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I can just hear the 9E negotiators now. "Just look what NW did to Mesaba! You better work for the same as Mesa/Mesaba or less, or you can expect the same fate."

That statement demonstrate that you don't know anything about our negotiating team. You just have to sit in my balcony when 35 is in use in MSP to see the relevance of the "Linkers"
We all are well aware that we are NOT going to get anything revolutionary or ground braking. But our MEC knows that the big majority of the pilot group will not set a new low. Nor will MSA, those folks are pissed off. The difference between Mainline negotiations and the Linkers is that there was wiggle room where to go down. There is not much wiggle room at the bottom of the barrel.

 

[XJohXJ]

There is not ANY wiggle room at all for Airlink flight crew to go lower. Shut the doors if you have to, the job just simply cannot pay any less than it already does.

 

[fly4ever]

Kmox,

You are right on as usual. YPF still thinks it's ok for the mainline pilots to give it up and let the regional folks fight the fight. Last I looked, over the past 6 years XJ hasn't given any concessions and NWA pilots have given up concessions 3 times(?). Yeah, that's what I thought. Now, no matter what kind of deal we end up with (even if it was a pay raise) they will blame us for all the problems they have. Sorry YPF, we don't have the technology to fix what most of your group is missing.

VOTE NO to concessions!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Steeerike

That statement demonstrate that you don't know anything about our negotiating team.

Reread his post, and you might realize he's supporting you, not ripping on your negotiators.

 

[ex j-41]

Who should the pilots vote for? Tree Hugger and Fossil Fuel hater Gore???? Planes burn gas don't they??? We are the enemy. Wake up, fool. Dems say they are the party for the oppressed (insert minority status here) and desperately hope that they can keep the conditions poor for the afore mentioned minority so as they can keep getting the votes. Republicans aren't any better either.

Nobody died when Clinton Lied!

And he also released fuel reserves which lowered the price of fuel. Bush is just making the Arabs richer hence having more power. If he releases the reserves now it won't do a damm thing. The Arabs can live for many hundred of years with all $3/gallon fuel we are now buying. America has lost its bargining power all because of G W. BTW if we didn't have an enviroment to live in we wouldn't be living. Hence the tree huggers are fighting for your life! And your childrens.