XJ Manager's tell Pilot's "your not worth it!"

[MesabaDriver]

So let's here from all you XJ pilots who think management has your interests in their heart.

A specific manager... (you know the one who had a boat named "the extra tenth" ) said to a MEC member.. "in my day as a DTW CP we hauled our own trash... we got it done"... He aslo stated that if he spent $200,000 on new crew rooms for the pilots at XJ he would be "stupid" and the the new Delta might see that as wasted money. Let me tell ya something... hey news flash buddy you dont need to spend 200k do be stupid... you've already taken that title.

Now another manager...(the one who jingles his pants) said hey you see things your way, we see them another. If we think we are right then we are going to do what we feel is in our best interest. If you think we are wrong then just file a grievance.

WOW... Now that is what I call working together to reach a better company relationship!!!

Any comments...

 

[Limeyflyer]

I guess he actually thinks the fishbowl in MEM is a prime example of a crew room when it has 30 bodies in it when the fire marshal probably approved it for 10, everyone based in MEM's flightcases and crewbags everywhere, no trashcan, a piece of junk table. Why would they spend the $$$. It is perfect !!!!!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

What made JR so bitter? Was it his days at Republic?

And if he still has that boat, he should rename it "The Extra Ten Percent Pay Cut"!

 

[Rally]

So let's here from all you XJ pilots who think management has your interests in their heart.

A specific manager... (you know the one who had a boat named "the extra tenth" ) said to a MEC member.. "in my day as a DTW CP we hauled our own trash... we got it done"... He aslo stated that if he spent $200,000 on new crew rooms for the pilots at XJ he would be "stupid" and the the new Delta might see that as wasted money. Let me tell ya something... hey news flash buddy you dont need to spend 200k do be stupid... you've already taken that title.

Now another manager...(the one who jingles his pants) said hey you see things your way, we see them another. If we think we are right then we are going to do what we feel is in our best interest. If you think we are wrong then just file a grievance.

WOW... Now that is what I call working together to reach a better company relationship!!!

Any comments...

Yea get rid of unions so the employee/management relationship isn't so acidic. What do you do in any other career? You don't like the company you leave. Given that I still would only work for a union carrier till people get their **** out of the sand and do their talking with their feet.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Yea get rid of unions so the employee/management relationship isn't so acidic. What do you do in any other career? You don't like the company you leave. Given that I still would only work for a union carrier till people get their **** out of the sand and do their talking with their feet.

Key words: other career

 

[Flyer1015]

What do you do in any other career? You don't like the company you leave.

Yes, but unlike OTHER careers, we pilots have to start all over the at the bottom of another airline's senioritiy list, along with taking a HUGE paycut as well.

 

[Rally]

Yes, but unlike OTHER careers, we pilots have to start all over the at the bottom of another airline's senioritiy list, along with taking a HUGE paycut as well.

Thus my point, but if enough people did it or even a master senority list this wouldn't be a problem. People need to be paid what they are worth and how much time they have in service.

 

[Flyer1015]

Thus my point, but if enough people did it or even a master senority list this wouldn't be a problem. People need to be paid what they are worth and how much time they have in service.

What master seniority list?

It was hard enough to merge US Airways and AWA lists, and oh wait, they're still not integrated. And now the seniority integration problems with Delta and NWA. Again, problem area. Forget the notion of one national seniority list, it just won't happen.

"If enough people did it"..... what's this mean? Thousands and thousands of pilots have come and gone at the regional level.

"People need to be paid what they are worth and how much time they have in service"..... I agree. But unfortunately, the reailty is that most regional pilots lose their seniority and take a huge paycut every time they move up to another airline.


You are not an airline pilot, are you?

 

[FOrever85]

Yea get rid of unions so the employee/management relationship isn't so acidic. What do you do in any other career? You don't like the company you leave. Given that I still would only work for a union carrier till people get their **** out of the sand and do their talking with their feet.

Are you F^&king kidding me???????

If you ever actually get a job at an airline (because it is obvious you don't right now) you are in for a rude awakening.

Let me get this straight, you will only work at union carrier, but you think they have no place in the airlines? Can you say hypocrite!!!

And of all places, you picked a Mesaba thread for this line of reasoning.

Congrats, You are winner of FlightInfo's dumb a@# post of the day!!!


Enjoy

 

[SEVEN]

So let's here from all you XJ pilots who think management has your interests in their heart.

A specific manager... (you know the one who had a boat named "the extra tenth" ) said to a MEC member.. "in my day as a DTW CP we hauled our own trash... we got it done"... He aslo stated that if he spent $200,000 on new crew rooms for the pilots at XJ he would be "stupid" and the the new Delta might see that as wasted money. Let me tell ya something... hey news flash buddy you dont need to spend 200k do be stupid... you've already taken that title.

Now another manager...(the one who jingles his pants) said hey you see things your way, we see them another. If we think we are right then we are going to do what we feel is in our best interest. If you think we are wrong then just file a grievance.

WOW... Now that is what I call working together to reach a better company relationship!!!

Any comments...

Maybe the reason they don't want to invest big bucks for a new MEM crew room is that MEM won't be a pilot base in 8-12 months. With the merger in effect it is very likely that MEM will not be a hub.

Not siding in managements favor, just a different point of view in light of all the new events.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's ok, I'll just make sure to get on their fuel savings initiative with the same dilligence they are taking toward our needs.

 

[Raskal]

It's ok, I'll just make sure to get on their fuel savings initiative with the same dilligence they are taking toward our needs.

Exactly. :beer:

 

[MesabaDriver]

Im not sure what made JR so bitter. Maybe it's because they fired he a$$ a few years ago so now he knows where he stands in the eyes of management. Hes a puppet, I would like to know what it feels like to have JS hand in your A$$ manipulating your every move.

Rally... your an idiot. Your the reason animals eat their young. Would you work for a carrier that shaved your paycheck because they thought you were over paid. Leaving some employees with only a fifty dollar check that month.

Oh wait, then the company says, "we made a mistake" but you need to go through the proper channels to get your money back. Its been three weeks and no repayment...

SEVEN...I can appreciate your ideals about the mem crew room and the theory of not bieng a hub any longer, but as you know what goes around comes around. I suspect that the mem crew will be taking matters into their own hands to have sanitary crew rooms and acceptable crew room space.

The more people we get involved and get to stand up for the job and rights at the airline the faster we can stick it to the company and begin to be treated with repsect.

ALPA has been getting a record number of volunteers at XJ since the managers are pulling such bullsh&t with the pilots.

 

[xjgearbtch]

From now on dump the trash outside the fishbowl. Let the passengers see the crap.

 

[SEVEN]

Tell management they have 30 days to improve Crew working conditions or OSHA will be contacted due to unsanitary and unnacceptable working conditions.
http://www.osha.gov/


Hey it's worth a shot..............

 

[FOrever85]

Looks the the 900 guys are doing their part. Look at this fine example of saving fuel by flying around with the airbrake out.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRiioaIAN4w

 

[piav8r]

Depending on the length of the leg, they often have had to do everything they can just to burn enough fuel to get below their maximum gross landing weight. Seems they are putting WAY to much fuel onboard that plan for some reason...

 

[flyslow24]

Seven,

I thought you left mesaba and are working for PFS again?

Sorry I missed my lesson again....

 

[captain dad]

I had a run in with "The Extra Tenth" when he came back from wherever he went around five years ago. I asked him about the contract negotiations and shameful raises taken by management. He told me to go F#ck myself. Literally. Him and a handful of other pilots that have made the "never go back" jump to management, don't give a flying turd about any of the emplyees at XJ except for themselves. I am not bitter. I am more saddened. I have actually watched these people go after and have even had some violated to cover their own incompetense. The old friendly and caring Family run Mesaba died a long time ago.

Life is too short to work for someone that not only holds you in contempt, but refuses to even do the right thing. It's reprehensible.

I suggest you keep your heads down and stay away from those jackals. Nothing good can come out of what they are doing.

 

[MesabaDriver]

JS keeps great company. A director of Ops that if he had a banjo and a mullet would below in Lord of the rings and a labor relations laison that acts like he's got some juice but the only juice I think he gets flows from JS, if your picking up what im putting down.
Its no wonder the pilot group is getting ******************** kicked and has NO RESPECT for it's managers... we are under the thumb of an insecure night college graduate CEO and his sidekicks.

And ill finish a quote directly from the extra tenth... "we'll iI understand your position (in a conversation about scheduling a pilot) but legally we can do this and I'm not interested in the contract at this point. WTFO.