XJ Manager's tell Pilot's "your not worth it!"

[Raskal]

The full-power t/o's and flying low never made a lot of sense to me as a way to get back at management.

NWA is very good about getting mgmt's attention when they want it-SLOW taxis. I think, and I may be wrong, that making the flying public aware of whatever is you're up to, and possibly annoying them in the process, is even more important than any real 'cost' from your actions. It's the publicity and complaints that seem to be the most effective at driving the higher-ups nuts.

 

[OttoPilot]

Rally... your an idiot.

I always find it funny when the person calling someone an idiot doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're."

 

[Smarta$$]

The full-power t/o's and flying low never made a lot of sense to me as a way to get back at management.

NWA is very good about getting mgmt's attention when they want it-SLOW taxis. I think, and I may be wrong, that making the flying public aware of whatever is you're up to, and possibly annoying them in the process, is even more important than any real 'cost' from your actions. It's the publicity and complaints that seem to be the most effective at driving the higher-ups nuts.

My feelings exactly.

 

[AvroGuy]

Thats right, crawling taxi, unexpected delays in the pads, full power takeoff's and cruising at 6k below flight plan altitude. Lets see how that shinny departure and arrival section of mymesaba does in the next few weeks.

Ultimately that may not be a good idea. With the merger, they may be looking to down size small jet flying and the one that is less efficeint may get the axe, even if you are owned by NWA.

Even a TO take off is still a flex/reduced takeoff. The engines, in US models, still have APR which can be used. Also if I remeber right, the engines are flat rated which means they will produce X amount of thrust up to X degrees above ISA. So if the temp is ISA or ISA -10, it is still a reduced/Flex takeoff.

 

[Terry Hunter]

SmartA$$, I'm curious about your avatar...

 

[Raskal]

Ultimately that may not be a good idea. With the merger, they may be looking to down size small jet flying and the one that is less efficeint may get the axe, even if you are owned by NWA.

And that is certainly the other side of the issue-is right now or anytime soon the best time to be making any stands? Personally, I'm inclined to staying pretty quiet until the parent company(s) get some things ironed out and we find out where we stand...until then any battles fought would seem short-sighted.

 

[machaf]

I wish more of my 9E brothers would figure out how to get things done.

AMEN, Some people need to SLOW DOWN.

 

[saabservant]

If your ops area is filthy and filled with trash, and your cockpits are filthy, you should refuse to enter them, as a health and sanitation concern.

You get the conditions and benefits you deserve. Mgmt. says you don't deserve clean conditions.
Until you DEMAND them, you won't see them.
How to do this? Call your reps and MEC, and demand they take a stand.
The alpa lawyers will tell them you can't refuse to enter the areas, this is a witholding of service.
Tell the lawyers their office cleanings are suspended for two months.....
This s*** would never fly at the majors, why do we tolerate it at this level? No spine among those who intend to stay, that's why.

 

[CptMurf]

Ultimately that may not be a good idea. With the merger, they may be looking to down size small jet flying and the one that is less efficeint may get the axe, even if you are owned by NWA.

You obviously didn't fly under a redtail colors for long. Anderson and Steenland have never cared about the service that they are providing, nor do they care about performance. They care about the bottom line. How can they (individuals---not companies) make more money. If your management or board members are not controlled by NWA-DAL managers your flying may be in jeoparty.

 

[xjhawk]

Anyone ever see the movie Office space? Lets do a pilot version of that movie down in MEM. Bring in your cordless, and remove the fishbowl walls from their current local, push it out into the public area, and prop them up to make more room. Done.

 

[Smarta$$]

SmartA$$, I'm curious about your avatar...

It is a sticker or a bag tag our MEC made. It is a display to pinnacle management, to remind them of our 99.39% YES! to our strike vote.

I just like to show how pissed off I am. Thanks for asking. You should see at least 75% of pinnacle pilots to have either the sticker or the bag tag. I think it should be every pilot at 9E, or even every pilot with a red tail until we get our contract. I think we could all get alot more done together. We should start acting like a national union.

 

[Smarta$$]

AMEN, Some people need to SLOW DOWN.

I know. I have seen more than a few Aholes that I thought were going to rotate from a taxiway. Pisses me the FUK off.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Completely understandable on the last leg and trying to catch a commute home.... Heck that will be me in a couple days in MSP.... Now the key is to make up for that last leg on the rest of the trip.

 

[Golden Falcon]

thought texas ray-...JR had a heart attack many moons ago was he the dtw CP?? or are you referring to DB squared?

 

[Terry Hunter]

It is a sticker or a bag tag our MEC made. It is a display to pinnacle management, to remind them of our 99.39% YES! to our strike vote.

I just like to show how pissed off I am. Thanks for asking. You should see at least 75% of pinnacle pilots to have either the sticker or the bag tag. I think it should be every pilot at 9E, or even every pilot with a red tail until we get our contract. I think we could all get alot more done together. We should start acting like a national union.

Fantastic! I would love nothing better than to see 9E get a very nice contract, something the group deserves. Keep up the great work, and yes- all the red tails should be displaying this on their flight cases. I'll ask for one when I stop up the ALPA office next time.

 

[MooneyPilot]

HERE HERE HERE Spell much?

 

[AvroGuy]

You obviously didn't fly under a redtail colors for long. Anderson and Steenland have never cared about the service that they are providing, nor do they care about performance. They care about the bottom line. How can they (individuals---not companies) make more money. If your management or board members are not controlled by NWA-DAL managers your flying may be in jeoparty.

8 months, then furlough. Very little with their style of mgmt.

 

[Rally]

Since all of you guys are grammar and spelling experts I want to know if you can tell me if this is correct, it is from a message left on my phone.

"I know you know who this is I've been knowing the number for a long time."

Something doesn't seem right there.

 

[Butters]

You guys see the message in the XJ hotline tonight?

Management seems to think there is no problem flying over 16 hours in a duty period by changing the last flight to a 91 leg.

Good stuff. I'd love to hear what the NTSB says after someone balls one up on that plan.

Remember, XJers: $afety first!

 

[Flybet3]

You guys see the message in the XJ hotline tonight?

Management seems to think there is no problem flying over 16 hours in a duty period by changing the last flight to a 91 leg.

Good stuff. I'd love to hear what the NTSB says after someone balls one up on that plan.

Remember, XJers: $afety first!

I think I'm feeling a bit fatigued... (yaaaawn) :blush:

 

[avrorj-85]

Huh?

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't WE the crewmember have to agree to go over 15 hours? Seems simple to me...Just say NOOOOOOO!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

After Pinnacle 3701, I don't think the NTSB or the FAA allow that presto change-o game.

Even if it means going into a day off, don't do it!

 

[WIPilot]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't WE the crewmember have to agree to go over 15 hours? Seems simple to me...Just say NOOOOOOO!

Thats my take on the email too

 

[SEVEN]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't WE the crewmember have to agree to go over 15 hours? Seems simple to me...Just say NOOOOOOO!

Yes. The Captain has to REQUEST to exceed a 15 hour duty day. Management cannot request it. But then again, when does management ever give a crap about a pilot contract.

 

[Raskal]

Welcome to the old 135/91k bend you over tactic. Technically speaking, you can exceed the duty day with the last leg being 91. Here is the intent of the rule: If the crew voluntarily elects to return to a home base empty (deadhead/repo) than the duty day may be exceeded.

This has been used in other industries so long, frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't shown up here. Basically, the company works you all day and times out your duty in some other city. Then, they give you the choice to repo home or stay. Well, unless you're one of the kids still enamored with overnights, you get in the airplane and fly it home. You don't have to, but if you want to go home you do it.

Question I have is what about the FA. Strictly speaking, they don't fall under the 91/deadhead rule, do they? They aren't required crew without pax.

 

[KaptainKarl]

Hired at XJ in 99. This thread peaked my interest, though I left in '06 as saab captain. Hired by JR. Great guy - then. He was shown the door because he couldn't keep it in his pants at work and got caught. XJ will never change, get out. XJALPA only has so much it can do, they try, but fight a losing game. Sounds like it is much the same. I feel for you guys.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

I believe this issue (flying past 16 hours) was brought up in my new hire class ... granted this was before JR returned. The final answer was that even though under part 91 a flight may be operable past 16 hours, XJ's policy was to follow the more restrictive duty rules under part 121. I wouldn't count on any help from JR, or anyone from XJ, if any issues were to arrise during this type of operation. Stay the night and make 4 hours the next day!

 

[avrorj-85]

Yeeeah baby!

I believe this issue (flying past 16 hours) was brought up in my new hire class ... granted this was before JR returned. The final answer was that even though under part 91 a flight may be operable past 16 hours, XJ's policy was to follow the more restrictive duty rules under part 121. I wouldn't count on any help from JR, or anyone from XJ, if any issues were to arrise during this type of operation. Stay the night and make 4 hours the next day!

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner! Thank you for playing please drive through...

 

[xjcaptain]

Been said before. It's real simple. Don't REQUEST to go over 15 hours. When they start calling to get me to request it, my cell phone get's VERY VERY unreliable, and many times the only working phone I can find is in the hotel.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I had a captain ask if I minded leaving the hub to go to the overnight (day one of three) if it meant arriving over fifteen hours... I just laughed and said sucks for you to be a commuter but that's partly why I left 135. I am not playing that game here. 15:01= no go!