XJ Manager's tell Pilot's "your not worth it!"

[CptMurf]

You don't like the company you leave.

The problem with this mentality is that some of us pilots were here before this CEO and the last CEO and some even before the CEO before that. Personally, I'll just buck heads with them, take what I can, and wait for THEM to leave.

 

[TAWS]

What made JR so bitter? Was it his days at Republic?
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I believe he was a good guy here. I don't know the circumstances of his departure though.

 

[CFIfornow]

So what happens when the 900 is fully staffed in MEM? It's going to be a long list of delayed flights on a bad weather day. Every one will have to wait in line to use the one or two working computers so they can check the radar and everything else they need to properly flight plan.

 

[xjpilot]

Full power takeoffs from now on.

Maybe they will think twice about paying someone to take out the trash.

 

[MesabaDriver]

Thats right, crawling taxi, unexpected delays in the pads, full power takeoff's and cruising at 6k below flight plan altitude. Lets see how that shinny departure and arrival section of mymesaba does in the next few weeks.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's been in the tank ever since they started keeping the door open on the Saab until the bag numbers were sent.... "the extra tenth" has forgotten his roots.

 

[Smarta$$]

Thats right, crawling taxi, unexpected delays in the pads, full power takeoff's and cruising at 6k below flight plan altitude. Lets see how that shinny departure and arrival section of mymesaba does in the next few weeks.

I wish more of my 9E brothers would figure out how to get things done.

 

[xjcaptain]

Thats right, crawling taxi, unexpected delays in the pads, full power takeoff's and cruising at 6k below flight plan altitude. Lets see how that shinny departure and arrival section of mymesaba does in the next few weeks.

Let's see....everybodys pissed off at JR because of a basic lack of integrity, and an inability to do his job well. So your solution is the do a really crappy job and intentionally beat on the AC (full power all the time) I'll be sure to thank you when I have one blow at V1 because 100% all the time makes you feel like you're getting back at JR. Anybody see any irony here?

 

[Flybet3]

Let's see....everybodys pissed off at JR because of a basic lack of integrity, and an inability to do his job well. So your solution is the do a really crappy job and intentionally beat on the AC (full power all the time) I'll be sure to thank you when I have one blow at V1 because 100% all the time makes you feel like you're getting back at JR. Anybody see any irony here?

I agree. I agree that management is always tough to deal with. But it's like that EVERYWHERE!!! Talk to eagle guys about their management, talk to Mesa, Express jet, and so on. They will all talk about their management as if they are just the worst, and how they really are the biggest victims in this industry. Burning more fuel, delaying and canceling flights to get back at management isn't really going to do much, but just show an immaturity level. We really are just hurting our selves by doing stuff like that, we all have a job to do which is fly safely and take car of our paying customers. And through this we can all go home to our families and feed them. Do you jobs for your selves and families, and not FOR MANAGEMENT.

 

[Flybet3]

Oh and i realize that my post has a few misspelled words b/c I type to fast some times. So I'll just say it now "SUCK IT" LOL

 

[Raskal]

The full-power t/o's and flying low never made a lot of sense to me as a way to get back at management.

NWA is very good about getting mgmt's attention when they want it-SLOW taxis. I think, and I may be wrong, that making the flying public aware of whatever is you're up to, and possibly annoying them in the process, is even more important than any real 'cost' from your actions. It's the publicity and complaints that seem to be the most effective at driving the higher-ups nuts.

 

[OttoPilot]

Rally... your an idiot.

I always find it funny when the person calling someone an idiot doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're."

 

[Smarta$$]

The full-power t/o's and flying low never made a lot of sense to me as a way to get back at management.

NWA is very good about getting mgmt's attention when they want it-SLOW taxis. I think, and I may be wrong, that making the flying public aware of whatever is you're up to, and possibly annoying them in the process, is even more important than any real 'cost' from your actions. It's the publicity and complaints that seem to be the most effective at driving the higher-ups nuts.

My feelings exactly.

 

[AvroGuy]

Thats right, crawling taxi, unexpected delays in the pads, full power takeoff's and cruising at 6k below flight plan altitude. Lets see how that shinny departure and arrival section of mymesaba does in the next few weeks.

Ultimately that may not be a good idea. With the merger, they may be looking to down size small jet flying and the one that is less efficeint may get the axe, even if you are owned by NWA.

Even a TO take off is still a flex/reduced takeoff. The engines, in US models, still have APR which can be used. Also if I remeber right, the engines are flat rated which means they will produce X amount of thrust up to X degrees above ISA. So if the temp is ISA or ISA -10, it is still a reduced/Flex takeoff.

 

[Terry Hunter]

SmartA$$, I'm curious about your avatar...

 

[Raskal]

Ultimately that may not be a good idea. With the merger, they may be looking to down size small jet flying and the one that is less efficeint may get the axe, even if you are owned by NWA.

And that is certainly the other side of the issue-is right now or anytime soon the best time to be making any stands? Personally, I'm inclined to staying pretty quiet until the parent company(s) get some things ironed out and we find out where we stand...until then any battles fought would seem short-sighted.

 

[machaf]

I wish more of my 9E brothers would figure out how to get things done.

AMEN, Some people need to SLOW DOWN.

 

[saabservant]

If your ops area is filthy and filled with trash, and your cockpits are filthy, you should refuse to enter them, as a health and sanitation concern.

You get the conditions and benefits you deserve. Mgmt. says you don't deserve clean conditions.
Until you DEMAND them, you won't see them.
How to do this? Call your reps and MEC, and demand they take a stand.
The alpa lawyers will tell them you can't refuse to enter the areas, this is a witholding of service.
Tell the lawyers their office cleanings are suspended for two months.....
This s*** would never fly at the majors, why do we tolerate it at this level? No spine among those who intend to stay, that's why.

 

[CptMurf]

Ultimately that may not be a good idea. With the merger, they may be looking to down size small jet flying and the one that is less efficeint may get the axe, even if you are owned by NWA.

You obviously didn't fly under a redtail colors for long. Anderson and Steenland have never cared about the service that they are providing, nor do they care about performance. They care about the bottom line. How can they (individuals---not companies) make more money. If your management or board members are not controlled by NWA-DAL managers your flying may be in jeoparty.

 

[xjhawk]

Anyone ever see the movie Office space? Lets do a pilot version of that movie down in MEM. Bring in your cordless, and remove the fishbowl walls from their current local, push it out into the public area, and prop them up to make more room. Done.