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TAWS said:
If you win, you're screwed. If you lose, you're screwed.
NWA will NOT let any union win, at any affiliate, while they are in bk. I hope I'm wrong, but it's better to make it happen now, rather than endure the slow, painful death that mngt will force on you.
Having seen how RAH treats us (by no means perfect) and how XJ treats it's pilots (former SAAB gear monkey), I'm surprised that I ever thought they had a good thing going over there. Take hotels, we don't stay in top notch hotels here, but they are nowhere near as bad as the dumps XJ makes you stay in. Average hotel here = decent Holiday Inn or Doubletree. Average hotel at XJ = Red Fox (MQT) or that dump in London, not to mention the stuff out of MEM - SCARY!!
It's not all love and roses here, but we aren't treated nearly as badly as the crews at XJ - I wouldn't go back!
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Actually the MEM hotels have gotten MUCH better recently. I stayed at PIB (Laurel Hattiesburg) 3-4 months ago and the hotel was brand new and beautiful! Seriously, it was. I hear the Muscle Shoals hotel is awesome too. I guess it’s like a resort.
 
TAWS said:
If you win, you're screwed. If you lose, you're screwed.
NWA will NOT let any union win, at any affiliate, while they are in bk. I hope I'm wrong, but it's better to make it happen now, rather than endure the slow, painful death that mngt will force on you.
Having seen how RAH treats us (by no means perfect) and how XJ treats it's pilots (former SAAB gear monkey), I'm surprised that I ever thought they had a good thing going over there. Take hotels, we don't stay in top notch hotels here, but they are nowhere near as bad as the dumps XJ makes you stay in. Average hotel here = decent Holiday Inn or Doubletree. Average hotel at XJ = Red Fox (MQT) or that dump in London, not to mention the stuff out of MEM - SCARY!!
It's not all love and roses here, but we aren't treated nearly as badly as the crews at XJ - I wouldn't go back!
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I don't know what type of environment you were in while at XJ, but I'm guessing you haven't experienced the GOOD Mesaba. I'm not trying to force feed you XJ Kool-Aid via IV, but Mesaba was a premier airline to work for! Fellow employees, supervisors, and managers always created an environment that made you successful at your job, and happy while doing it! That's what makes this situation so disheartening! Our "SLT" and NWA have destroyed that!

TAWS said:
Average hotel at XJ = Red Fox (MQT) or that dump in London
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Neither of these hotels are representative of the average hotel at XJ! Your not being honest. MQT?...Try to find any nice name-brand hotel around Sawyer let alone a Holiday Inn, and London...they had a great hot breakfast in the morning and a strip club for the evening, no crewmember is going to give that up! The fact was if the hotel was bad, and the crews complained about it, it was changed! Some regionals don't even consider the opinions of the crew.
 
O.K........O.K......I'll give you Flesh Gordon's. But you have to provide proof of the bouncy ball thingy!

XJ had great Chiefs in DTW, but while I was there the whole setup was depressing!!
 
welll, the news from the union rep, a negotiator i beleive, is that the judge is pretty anti-union and has already made his mind up, and we will have to appeal.....but since our attorneys are kick-a$$, going to a judge who uses the rule of law instead of his anti union and pro bigbuisiness bias, we should drag this out i should think.
 
AvroJockey said:
Neither of these hotels are representative of the average hotel at XJ! Your not being honest. MQT?...Try to find any nice name-brand hotel around Sawyer let alone a Holiday Inn, and London...they had a great hot breakfast in the morning and a strip club for the evening, no crewmember is going to give that up! The fact was if the hotel was bad, and the crews complained about it, it was changed! Some regionals don't even consider the opinions of the crew.
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I used to live in MQT. There is a nice Holiday Inn 15 minutes away located in Marquette and not in Gwinn. No flight crew member should be staying at the Red Fox Inn.
 
RP170 said:
I used to live in MQT. There is a nice Holiday Inn 15 minutes away located in Marquette and not in Gwinn. No flight crew member should be staying at the Red Fox Inn.
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Man, you've got that right. The Red Fox Inn is just plain scary. I think the reason people put up with it is that it is only 30 seconds from the airport, which comes in very handy on those high speeds.
 
So the judge is going to issue his decision electronically, now? Hmmm. . .
 
XJohXJ said:
Man, you've got that right. The Red Fox Inn is just plain scary. I think the reason people put up with it is that it is only 30 seconds from the airport, which comes in very handy on those high speeds.
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Isn't that place weird!? I got stuck there once (bad wx in DTW I think). The little restaurant/bar was ok though, except the service was terrible. For those that haven't been there, the hotel is the old officer barracks from the air force base, IIRC. Numerous windows were busted out and replaced with OSB. There are 2 bedrooms and a living room, which sounds nice, but it's not, trust me :) Everything is just crap and run-down. When you step into the room, it feels like you're the first person to have been there in 20 years.
 
xjhawk said:
welll, the news from the union rep, a negotiator i beleive, is that the judge is pretty anti-union and has already made his mind up, and we will have to appeal.....but since our attorneys are kick-a$$, going to a judge who uses the rule of law instead of his anti union and pro bigbuisiness bias, we should drag this out i should think.
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I don't beleive that the judge is anti-union. He is just looking out for whats good for his career.

Rule number 1 in Minnesota politics....Never cross Carl Polad.
 
Sounds to me like he doesn't want to face the people his decision will actually affect. He's gonna hide out in the safety of his office... Kind of like mgmt not visiting recurrent ground schools when pilots started asking the tough questions.
 
DoinTime said:
I don't beleive that the judge is anti-union. He is just looking out for whats good for his career.

Rule number 1 in Minnesota politics....Never cross Carl Polad.
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And your point is what? So what he is doing is ok? What he has done so far isn't anti-union? Explain. By the way, did you guys ever come through with a resolution not to fly struck work yet? I haven't heard...

Is that what you guys are going to do, look out for what is good for your careers? Unreal.
 
Pinnacle Struck Work Resolution

No, the 9e mec still has not passed a resolution that they will not fly struck work. And, no, a press release saying they won't fly struck work does not suffice.
The 9e mec chair was called out at the alpa board of directors meeting in Vegas last week.
A pretty lame excuse for an alpa mec. They were too busy partying to get it done, I suppose they actually want to see us strike or fold, and then take over our struck work.
It's all about "ME" anyway, isn't it? After all, I did sell myself and my profession out by PFT at Gulfstream, et al. So I can call myself an "airline pilot".

Pinnacle guys, there is no excuse for this. You need to call your representatives and your MEC office TODAY. They are making you look like
S*** in front of over 60,000 real airline pilots.....

About that support you will be seeking from us with your own effort to get a contract or strike- better take care of business, now.

The MSA mec is very pissed about this, and does not need this distraction now....
 
The "honorable" judge kishel

Apparently this lackey judge for pohlad does not have the ba*** to face us, either, when he sets a historical precedent by enjoining a strike after a contract is tossed. He is issuing his decision via email. Never mind the facts, or the LAW!

To the Castle! With pitchforks and torches! Monday afternoon!
 
saabtrash said:
Is that what you guys are going to do, look out for what is good for your careers? Unreal.
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I can understand that you guys are bent out of shape right now and I'll extend you all the patience I can but you are WAY out of bounds here.


And your point is what? So what he is doing is ok? What he has done so far isn't anti-union?
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My point is that your problems extend well beyond the courtroom. Fair trials are exceeding rare when the cases involve such high power individuals. Until this problem is fully understood it will never get addressed. Judging by the people I have talked to its rare to find someone who understands the amount of political power that Carl Polad weilds in Minnesota. Most people don't even know who he is or what his airline background is.


By the way, did you guys ever come through with a resolution not to fly struck work yet? I haven't heard...
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Neither have I but this isn't something you have to worry about. The PCL MEC will never condone flying struck work. I'm sure PCL128 can update us on that resolution.
 
I would be shocked if this judge would rule in favor of allowing the Mesaba unions to strike. However, W&B Wiz has a good theory. Best of luck and remember, fcuk Spanjers.
 
Why are you guys getting your panties in a wad? We have already been briefed on not flying struck work. There is much more to worry about than this.
 
I think most XJ pilots...and certainly I.... feel that most 9E pilots support us. Resolution or not there is no doubt that all red tail flyers are eating off the same sh!t samwich. (Yea it aint spelled right)
 
TAWS said:
Having seen how RAH treats us (by no means perfect) and how XJ treats it's pilots (former SAAB gear monkey), I'm surprised that I ever thought they had a good thing going over there. Take hotels, we don't stay in top notch hotels here, but they are nowhere near as bad as the dumps XJ makes you stay in. Average hotel here = decent Holiday Inn or Doubletree. Average hotel at XJ = Red Fox (MQT) or that dump in London, not to mention the stuff out of MEM - SCARY!!
It's not all love and roses here, but we aren't treated nearly as badly as the crews at XJ - I wouldn't go back!
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CHQ used to stay at that hotel when we were flying the jball and Saab into London. Not much difference imo
 
xjlifer said:
I think most XJ pilots...and certainly I.... feel that most 9E pilots support us. Resolution or not there is no doubt that all red tail flyers are eating off the same sh!t samwich. (Yea it aint spelled right)
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Um, excuse me, I noticed you didn't eat your corn.....
 
XJohXJ said:
Will Judge Kishel launch another Fudge Missle?
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Gonna be a HUGE ruling not matter what it is... Funny about the electronic submission. Tic Toc Tic Toc...
 
I'm not sure of this: What is the difference between a press release saying you won't preform struck work, and an actual resolution against struck work?

If 9E's MEC is against it, then why not have a resolution? Unless, they are not resolute. This is where some people are going to see lip service, and not solidarity.
 
saabservant said:
No, the 9e mec still has not passed a resolution that they will not fly struck work. And, no, a press release saying they won't fly struck work does not suffice.
The 9e mec chair was called out at the alpa board of directors meeting in Vegas last week.
A pretty lame excuse for an alpa mec. They were too busy partying to get it done, I suppose they actually want to see us strike or fold, and then take over our struck work.
It's all about "ME" anyway, isn't it? After all, I did sell myself and my profession out by PFT at Gulfstream, et al. So I can call myself an "airline pilot".

Pinnacle guys, there is no excuse for this. You need to call your representatives and your MEC office TODAY. They are making you look like
S*** in front of over 60,000 real airline pilots.....

About that support you will be seeking from us with your own effort to get a contract or strike- better take care of business, now.

The MSA mec is very pissed about this, and does not need this distraction now....
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I know emotions run pretty high at times like this. If I was in the same situation, I would be pretty excitable too. The Pinnacle MEC was not debating flying MSA struck work. Pinnacle pilots would never do that. We already have the struck work QRH's printed up that directed the pilots not to do that.

The big question that is rattling around is how much more help should we and can we provide? Do we shut down too? Do we slow down? What other actions can we do? If all you guys want is a struck work resolution, that is pretty easy. We could be like the NWA guys and put out some meaningless resolution that really won't help you much. If you want more, action that would really help you, please be patient.
 
Does anyone have the link to the website where our brave upstanding judge will stealthfully post his ruling?
 

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