WSJ on SWA/AT Merger

[fam62c]

Like most SWA pilots, it seems, you don't understand the difference between a defined benefit pension and a defined contribution pension. Hopefully SWAPA figures it out and gets you guys a real retirement plan soon.

If you are promoting DB plans I'm guessing history and actuarial science were not your strongest subjects back in college

 

[HowardBorden]

EVERY merger is difficult with many problems along the way. Every merger in recent history has had a very similar article written. It will all get sorted out eventually, hopefully sooner rather than later. Some examples below.

Delta-Northwest Merger: Newlyweds Flying in Opposite Directions?


http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/200...rger-newlyweds-flying-in-opposite-directions/

But at Delta Air Lines, an operational slide seems to have started about the time that Delta?s acquisition of Northwest Airlines Corp. was announced. According to a new Department of Transportation report out Wednesday, Delta was the worst major carrier in on-time performance in November. (The only two airlines of any size worse than Delta were its two regional partners, Comair and Atlantic Southeast.) Delta and Atlantic Southeast also had the dubious distinction of being the only two airlines with a higher rate of customer complaints filed with the DOT in November than in November 2007. In complaints, Delta was worst among majors.


For United, Big Problems at Biggest Airline

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/b...ger-with-continental.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
But two years on, United still grapples with myriad problems in integrating the two airlines. The result has been hobbled operations, angry passengers and soured relations with employees.

Cultures actually clash in US Airways-America West merger

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...ash-in-us-airways-america-west-merger-428293/
Any hope of a trouble-free US Airways-America West Airlines merger ended with a bloody, bare-fisted tussle between rival unions the morning of Feb. 8.

 

[maxblast72]

EVERY merger is difficult with many problems along the way. Every merger in recent history has had a very similar article written. It will all get sorted out eventually, hopefully sooner rather than later. Some examples below.

Delta-Northwest Merger: Newlyweds Flying in Opposite Directions?


http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/200...rger-newlyweds-flying-in-opposite-directions/

But at Delta Air Lines, an operational slide seems to have started about the time that Delta?s acquisition of Northwest Airlines Corp. was announced. According to a new Department of Transportation report out Wednesday, Delta was the worst major carrier in on-time performance in November. (The only two airlines of any size worse than Delta were its two regional partners, Comair and Atlantic Southeast.) Delta and Atlantic Southeast also had the dubious distinction of being the only two airlines with a higher rate of customer complaints filed with the DOT in November than in November 2007. In complaints, Delta was worst among majors.


For United, Big Problems at Biggest Airline

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/b...ger-with-continental.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
But two years on, United still grapples with myriad problems in integrating the two airlines. The result has been hobbled operations, angry passengers and soured relations with employees.

Cultures actually clash in US Airways-America West merger

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...ash-in-us-airways-america-west-merger-428293/
Any hope of a trouble-free US Airways-America West Airlines merger ended with a bloody, bare-fisted tussle between rival unions the morning of Feb. 8.

No way Howard. The Delta-Northwest, United-Continental, and USAirways-America West mergers were all seamless and the customer never noticed. The "grass is always greener" crowd will talk the loudest. I guess we will see if hundreds leave for the greener pastures.

I have noticed the the SWA folks are getting better turning our aircraft. The BWI repo to gate issues seem to cause some of the EMO on time issues (which cascade throughout the day). Be interesting to see what happens when we go from summer schedule to fall schedule on Aug 11. I know the ATL B717 CA reserve grid is fat past Aug 11.

 

[SWA/FO]

BWI has to be the worst.

Ever since the "purchase" its been downhill.

 

[ATLplt]

Point to ponder, be careful about blaming the lethargic ramp. That ramp is managed by folks who force mandatory double's, undermans during peaks, pays minimum wage, and refuses to believe it snows in MDW or BWI and mans as if it's SNA. So place the blame at the point of occurance, management.

Minimum wage? I thought the rampies were making a killing. One told me on a walk around it was the highest paying job he's had and was making considerably more than a lot of his college grad friends. Certainly more than his AirTran counterparts (he made it a point to throw that in). According to you, I guess he was over-inflating his pay. I thought it was only the pilots that did that.

 

[Toecutter]

.......and now, time for something totally different. Just turn on CNN.

 

[burg]

SWA Gate agents top out in the $68k range..

That's better than my best rj w2,

EVER

 

[dicko]

Wow, you mean one guy got improperly booked in an operation which moves 572,000 people a day? That's like 1 to the -7th percentage error...

Dude really, one guy? Please.

It was an example Darth. Just an example ......

Every time we go into a Southwest station we arrive early and depart late. Prior to this 'merger of operations' AirTran had the best baggage numbers of any airline in the U.S. Consistently. For years. Now the numbers suck.

Better ? Or do you still have the meat sweats ?

 

[Sacha]

Have to agree with Dicko. I have been flying with quite a few AirTran guys over the last few months and we have been been subjected to a total goat-rope everytime we go through MDW,BWI,MCO plus a few smaller stations. Crap I have never seen before and these are 90% AM's. I have asked them if they had this kind of Sh?t at AirTran and they say absolutely not. I believe them. The turns through the Contract stations were flawless. I understand there is less traffic but they reminded me of the guys in ELP,SAT etc. 5 or 10 years ago. Yet our Dear Leader Gary K gets on SWAlife and tells everyone what a great job Ground Ops is doing..Pathetic really.

I can't imagine what the guys flying PMs are encountering since the weather has been mostly good on my AMs.

 

[PCL_128]

I understand the difference. Do you?

Are you talking about a pension or a defined contribution plan? I wouldn't call that a pension.

You clearly don't understand the difference, and what you "call" it is irrelevant, since words actually mean things.

Defined contribution pension plans include a company contribution without any employee contribution. This is what AirTran had, what Delta has, what United has, etc. A defined benefit plan is typically referred to as an "A Fund," while a defined contribution plan is generally referred to as a "B Fund," while both are actually pensions. At AirTran, the company contributed 10.5% even if the pilot contributed not one penny. At Delta, the company contributes 16%. And so on.

What you have is just a simple 401k plan with employer matching of only 9.3%. If you don't contribute, then you get bupkis. And even if you do contribute, the company is still only kicking in a maximum of 9.3%, which is utterly pathetic by current industry standards.