Writing things down

[zuka]

I recently flew with somebody who writes everything down. Even to the point that recently he had his pen ready as he was pulling off the high speed so he was ready to write down the taxi clearance while he was pilot flying. He is a very good pilot and I'm not criticizing him, but comparing him to myself who relies on short term memory for a lot of instructions.

The purpose of this is to analyze technique and identify any possible hazardous attitudes or techniques to improve safety.

I've flown with a lot of pilots and I would say 70% rely on short term memory for simple taxi clearances and vectors or altitudes. Some start off the day by writing down a simple taxi clearance then after a few hours are doing it by memory.

I think for myself I write down instructions that are not be used in the immediate future such as a departure clearance or an air reroute, for instructions that will be used in the immediate future I usually use short term memory and do not write it down.

Below are some examples:

Departure Clearance - Yes, EVERYBODY EVERYBODY should write this down!

Cleared for takeoff - Never seen anybody write this down

Turn Left 330, Descend 3000 - People usually don't write this down

Descent 3000, DPL4A arrival, proceed direct DPL - similar to last but longer?

Contact center 125.25 - I've seen some people write this down, I don't

Taxi 36L via Echo - usually I use memory and don't write it down.

Taxi W2,T,T3,Z parking spot 203 - Similar to last but longer - maybe should write it down?

What technique do you use?

 

[atlcrashpad]

Main, I doesn't write nuttin' down.... I kan member anythang I done hear.... Hey, what was we talkin' bout?
bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

 

[hockeypilot44]

I recently flew with somebody who writes everything down. Even to the point that recently he had his pen ready as he was pulling off the high speed so he was ready to write down the taxi clearance while he was pilot flying. He is a very good pilot and I'm not criticizing him, but comparing him to myself who relies on short term memory for a lot of instructions.

The purpose of this is to analyze technique and identify any possible hazardous attitudes or techniques to improve safety.

I've flown with a lot of pilots and I would say 70% rely on short term memory for simple taxi clearances and vectors or altitudes. Some start off the day by writing down a simple taxi clearance then after a few hours are doing it by memory.

I think for myself I write down instructions that are not be used in the immediate future such as a departure clearance or an air reroute, for instructions that will be used in the immediate future I usually use short term memory and do not write it down.

Below are some examples:

Departure Clearance - Yes, EVERYBODY EVERYBODY should write this down!

Cleared for takeoff - Never seen anybody write this down

Turn Left 330, Descend 3000 - People usually don't write this down

Descent 3000, DPL4A arrival, proceed direct DPL - similar to last but longer?

Contact center 125.25 - I've seen some people write this down, I don't

Taxi 36L via Echo - usually I use memory and don't write it down.

Taxi W2,T,T3,Z parking spot 203 - Similar to last but longer - maybe should write it down?

What technique do you use?

I would strongly recommend writing down ALL taxi instructions no matter how simple. Other than that, I would only write down stuff you might not remember.

 

[Freebrd]

wow r u 4 real dude just do the damn job your way and don't worry bout anyone else. sounds like maybe YOU have the problem :laugh:

 

[Mike man]

All taxi instructions...

taxi to 4L

write it the heck down...it may sound stupid, it may sound silly but it will save you one day.

 

[Lynxman]

Headings and altitudes nope. Taxi, reroute, holds, clearances yes. It may sound dorky, but I have a notepad that has specific IFR clearance sections. Yes it costs me money and I go through em, but my license cost more than paper.

 

[SLUF4]

write down whatever you feel you need to write down. i guess it would be personal preference. I write down complicated taxi instructions and hold shorts. ATC reroutes..things like that. other than that I usually rely on my memory.

 

[Metro752]

I used one of these sweet babies!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anjyiO754hU

 

[CX880]

I recently flew with somebody who writes everything down. Even to the point that recently he had his pen ready as he was pulling off the high speed so he was ready to write down the taxi clearance while he was pilot flying. He is a very good pilot and I'm not criticizing him, but comparing him to myself who relies on short term memory for a lot of instructions.

The purpose of this is to analyze technique and identify any possible hazardous attitudes or techniques to improve safety.

I've flown with a lot of pilots and I would say 70% rely on short term memory for simple taxi clearances and vectors or altitudes. Some start off the day by writing down a simple taxi clearance then after a few hours are doing it by memory.

I think for myself I write down instructions that are not be used in the immediate future such as a departure clearance or an air reroute, for instructions that will be used in the immediate future I usually use short term memory and do not write it down.

Below are some examples:

Departure Clearance - Yes, EVERYBODY EVERYBODY should write this down!

Cleared for takeoff - Never seen anybody write this down

Turn Left 330, Descend 3000 - People usually don't write this down

Descent 3000, DPL4A arrival, proceed direct DPL - similar to last but longer?

Contact center 125.25 - I've seen some people write this down, I don't

Taxi 36L via Echo - usually I use memory and don't write it down.

Taxi W2,T,T3,Z parking spot 203 - Similar to last but longer - maybe should write it down?

What technique do you use?

I'm with you. Just IFR clearances and frequencies. Writing anything other doesnt make much sense because short instructios you can just rmember the long ones that are actually worth writing you can't because they give you 7 instructios while rolling off the runway. Just repeat as best you can and put it on the fms scratchpad.

 

[resetjet]

ATIS, taxi instructions, holds, reroutes, T/O and Arrival briefings. Remember we have protocols for altitude/heading/FMS changes etc. And my personal favourite is the ACARS printer

 

[nerjdriver]

Just type it into the fms if you need to. Not that hard.

 

[701EV]

Scratchpad in the FMS for taxi instructions.

Maybe a reroute.

Nothing else. If I'm not sure I'll ask them to repeat it

Remember ATC is there for us.

Were not there for them.

 

[ehaecker]

To me, writing down taxi instructions just makes it more confusing. When they read them out, I can actually focus on what they are saying if I'm not worried about writing them down. Whenever I try to write them down, I usually screw up the read back, don't write them down fast enough, or get things out of order. Writing them down is just 1 more thing to saturate you to the point of making a mistake in an already very busy environment. I'd rather rely on my short-term memory. It has served my just fine for the last 10 years. Maybe I'll think about a career change if I can no longer remember a few letters.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Most of the guys I work with like to write the taxi instructions in the scratchpad of the FMS. I do it too... Altitude changes etc, no. Unless if it's descend now from 370 to 200 then pd to 10000. I'lll set 200 and write 10000pd in the fms scratch pad. To me it's just common sense, some things should be marked somewhere so you won't forget, some things it's unnecessary. To me I'd never criticize a guy trying to keep track of whats going on my taking notes. It's better than flying with mr lazy who forgets everything.

 

[rumorhasit]

Headings and altitudes nope. Taxi, reroute, holds, clearances yes. It may sound dorky, but I have a notepad that has specific IFR clearance sections. Yes it costs me money and I go through em, but my license cost more than paper.

please pm me with info, I haven't found anything that's worth a damn yet

 

[buscap]

The Captain writing stuff, while the aircraft is moving, is not smart and would most likely not be viewed well in a nosewheel-in-the-mud accident investigation.

If a Captain feels that strongly about the practice, their best option is to instruct the FO to do so. Even then, such a practice is a little far off the reservation and would most likely distract the FO from their other duties.

And to the moderators: But on another note and with no slam against ATLCRASHPAD, why is the following racist drivel allowed on this board:

Main, I doesn't write nuttin' down.... I kan member anythang I done hear.... Hey, what was we talkin' bout?
bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...


Yet, comments about the sexual habits of certain religious organizations are not allowed?

 

[CX880]

And to the moderators: But on another note and with no slam against ATLCRASHPAD, why is the following racist drivel allowed on this board:

Main, I doesn't write nuttin' down.... I kan member anythang I done hear.... Hey, what was we talkin' bout?
bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...


Yet, comments about the sexual habits of certain religious organizations are not allowed?

You haven't been here very long have you? that's his kind of theme. There is nothing racist about it. No one wants to talk about "sexual habits" of religious organizations and should be banned for 1000 years for bringing it up.

 

[taters]

I use the panel to the max advantage and write down stuff that makes sense to write down...if I can actually find something to write on

 

[Metro752]

You haven't been here very long have you? that's his kind of theme. There is nothing racist about it. No one wants to talk about "sexual habits" of religious organizations and should be banned for 1000 years for bringing it up.

Are youinz talkin aboot Zoroastrians?

 

[LazyLightnin']

And to the moderators: But on another note and with no slam against ATLCRASHPAD, why is the following racist drivel allowed on this board:

Main, I doesn't write nuttin' down.... I kan member anythang I done hear.... Hey, what was we talkin' bout?
bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

I've got one for you... Without being racist, explain how his quote is racist.