Wow Pinnacle's Delta numbers suck

[PCL_128]

ALPA Merger Policy is only applicable when a merger is actually taking place. There was no merger, therefore the PID was invalid. Haven't we covered this before?

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA Merger Policy is only applicable when a merger is actually taking place. There was no merger, therefore the PID was invalid. Haven't we covered this before?

....now you are changing the debate....You accused the ASA and CMR pilots of being "arrogant" because we wanted more than a "staple".....

You are now implying that we should accept a pure staple and no ALPA merger policy...That is the mainline "arrogance" I was referring to.....

The fact is, mainline pilots think they are higher up the food chain.....Then when the furloughs start, they want one of these regional jobs.....That is arrogance.....

Stay separate and find your own job when you get furloughed or work with the regional folks for jobs security for everyone......Don't cherrypick because you think you are superior......

 

[PCL_128]

No, I'm implying that the only reasonable application of ALPA Merger Policy would be a staple with fences. And you still haven't answered the question: do you think you deserve more than a staple with fences in the event of a merger with a mainline carrier?

 

[JoeMerchant]

No, I'm implying that the only reasonable application of ALPA Merger Policy would be a staple with fences. And you still haven't answered the question: do you think you deserve more than a staple with fences in the event of a merger with a mainline carrier?

As long as I can't be bumped out of my seat.....I would be happy....

I have always advocated a "double staple".....If a regional pilot went to a mainline seat...they go to the bottom.....If a mainline pilot goes to a regional seat...they likewise go to the bottom....

All we are asking for is protection of our seat.....Otherwise we aren't interested in a single list....

DOH was a DALPA lie....

 

[PCL_128]

As long as I can't be bumped out of my seat.....I would be happy....

I have always advocated a "double staple".....If a regional pilot went to a mainline seat...they go to the bottom.....If a mainline pilot goes to a regional seat...they likewise go to the bottom....

We disagree on the second part of that. I'm sure you're not surprised by that, though.

DOH was a DALPA lie....

No, it really wasn't. I've run into enough CMR and ASA guys that have said it word for word. Maybe your buddy Danny didn't advocate it, but many others did, and it soured the relationship between the two groups.

 

[JoeMerchant]

We disagree on the second part of that. I'm sure you're not surprised by that, though.

...so you are advocating a mainline pilot bumping a regional pilot out of their seat....That is the arrogance I am talking about....

Why do they get the right to bump a regional pilot out of their seat?

This is exactly why we want protections.....

 

[PCL_128]

I support a system similar to the NWA/MSA flow-through agreement. If you agree to permanently give up any rights to a mainline bid, then you don't get bumped by the mainline guy flowing back. Otherwise, he bumps you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I support a system similar to the NWA/MSA flow-through agreement. If you agree to permanently give up any rights to a mainline bid, then you don't get bumped by the mainline guy flowing back. Otherwise, he bumps you.

Why does he get to "choose" when the time comes and the regional pilot has to decide ahead of time....Double standard.....You are still putting the junior mainline pilot at a higher point on the food chain.....

I'm glad we don't have any of those flowback or J4J's deals here...

I don't really see any benefit to your solution....so I would just rather stay separate....

 

[PCL_128]

Why does he get to "choose" when the time comes and the regional pilot has to decide ahead of time....Double standard.....You are still putting the junior mainline pilot at a higher point on the food chain.....

Because he took his lumps ahead of time by taking a paycut to go to mainline and go back to the right seat, losing his top bidding status along with things like more vacation, while you continue to sit in your left seat and collect four weeks of vacation and bid the senior schedules. You can't have your cake and eat it too, Joey.

I don't really see any benefit to your solution....so I would just rather stay separate....

The benefits are long-term, while you're only looking at your own selfish short-term interests.

 

[DoinTime]

I don't think I have ever agreed with Joe but he is right on this on. To support a staple job in any merger situation is absolute nonsense. That mentality sinks to the very core of what is wrong in pilots heads and the primary reason that true unity dogs us at every turn.

How is a Delta/Comair merger any different than Northwest/Republic or FedEx/Flying Tigers? There has to something sick and wrong in your head to ever think a staple job is fair.

How would a Northwest/Champion merger be dealt with in your world?

 

[PCL_128]

How would a Northwest/Champion merger be dealt with in your world?

Staple with fences.

 

[DoinTime]

Staple with fences.

Even Congress has outlawed your point of view. That should tell you something.

 

[PCL_128]

Even Congress has outlawed your point of view. That should tell you something.

That depends on your definition of "fair and equitable."

 

[DoinTime]

That depends on your definition of "fair and equitable."

When you consider the benchmark case used to justify the new law, fair and equitable does not mean a staple job in any circumstance.

 

[PCL_128]

When you consider the benchmark case used to justify the new law, fair and equitable does not mean a staple job in any circumstance.

The benchmark case that birthed this new law was a merger between two mainline carriers. In fact, it was a merger between the largest airline in the country and one of the most prestigious names in the history of the airline industry. In other words, it has no comparison to a merger between a regional and a mainline carrier.

 

[Flyer1015]

Didn't the AA/TWA mess teach us a lesson on stapling?

 

[Flyer1015]

I heard they even used the red stapler from Office Space for that one...

 

[Speedtape]

ALPA Merger Policy is only applicable when a merger is actually taking place. There was no merger, therefore the PID was invalid. Haven't we covered this before?

Are you familiar with the ALPA Merger Policy that was in effect when Comair and ASA petitioned ALPA to enact the merger policy of that day? I know from your comments that you don't have a clue!

 

[PCL_128]

Are you familiar with the ALPA Merger Policy that was in effect when Comair and ASA petitioned ALPA to enact the merger policy of that day? I know from your comments that you don't have a clue!

I'm well aware of the merger policy at the time. The fact remains that the EC ruled that merger policy was not applicable as a merger would not take place. It really is as simple as that.