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HelloNewman said:
Hey I am just treating people as I want to be treated. I don't want to give up the jumpseat just because someone is going to work. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat if I was going to work. The jumpseat is for WORK and PLEASURE. Whoever gets there first or has the seniority wins the prize. Now if someone had a family emergency or something that is a different story. Someone maybe missing work is not even that big of a deal. Can you say sick call?
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It is more complicated than a sick call. Besides why should you force someone to take a sick call, when you are just going somewhere for fun? What goes around comes around man. I've given the jumpseat up on ASA to mainline guys a few times when they were needing a ride. (On company, we can bump mainline.) I was going to work too, but I had a late duty-in.

Point is, we are all in this business together, and the guy you just bumped from the jumpseat may someday be your checkairman, or better yet, the captain on the jet you want to jumpseat on. If you ever bumped me so you could go to Disney World, I sure as heck would deny you the jumpseat on my plane...
 
ASA_Aviator said:
It is more complicated than a sick call. Besides why should you force someone to take a sick call, when you are just going somewhere for fun? What goes around comes around man. I've given the jumpseat up on ASA to mainline guys a few times when they were needing a ride. (On company, we can bump mainline.) I was going to work too, but I had a late duty-in.

Point is, we are all in this business together, and the guy you just bumped from the jumpseat may someday be your checkairman, or better yet, the captain on the jet you want to jumpseat on. If you ever bumped me so you could go to Disney World, I sure as heck would deny you the jumpseat on my plane...
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That is the beauty of it when I travel/jumpseat no one knows what I am doing. No one even knows I am a crew member and that is how I like to keep it. I get my jumpseat pass and either blend in with the pax or immediately leave the boarding area until it is time to leave. I am willing to give it up no problem if there is a true family situation or something that requires urgent attention.

Getting to work just aint that big of an issue. There are many people who commute so someone going to work certainly does not merit special circumstances. Over 50% of airline pilots commute or have commuted at some point. Commuters just aren't that special and do not merit any special treatment especially when commuting is always a choice someone makes.
 
HelloNewman said:
Hey I am just treating people as I want to be treated. I don't want to give up the jumpseat just because someone is going to work. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat if I was going to work. The jumpseat is for WORK and PLEASURE. Whoever gets there first or has the seniority wins the prize. Now if someone had a family emergency or something that is a different story. Someone maybe missing work is not even that big of a deal. Can you say sick call?
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Ya... but if you travel "incognito" so nobody will recognize you as a pilot and you don't introduce yourself to other jumpseaters, then how would you know they had a family emergency? You're right about the seniority, but wrong about everything else.
 
Perhaps he too was jumpseating for personal reasons. It's too easy to say...."I'm going to work" in order to make the other jumpseater feel guilty. It's a hard call but it is 1st come 1st serve.
 
rjacobs said:
Thats why I like CAL's system for JS priority. Its very cut and dry who and when can and cant bump others. Different classes for different pilot groups. Inside of each class i.e. JS1, JS2, etc... if you check in outside of an hour prior and nobody else has checked in outside of one hour prior you own it. If somebody senior to you in your same JS class comes up inside of one hour tough ********************, its yours. If both of you come up inside of an hour prior the senior person gets it. At any time somebody with a higher JS class can bump you. With this system the most junior person at the company could take the JS over the most senior.
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There is not a "one hour" cutoff at CAL. The cutoff is more around 10 to 20 minutes...whenever the agent puts it into the CASS system. You can be bumped up until that time.
 
I've given up the jumpseat to a guy going home when I was on my way to work (with plenty of time).

There is something important about being home too. You have to have priorities, and family should be top in my opinion.

Having said that, I probably would not give it up to someone going home if it meant me being late / missing work, and I have no problem giving it up for someone going to work.
 
Given up the seat for people going to work multiple times when I'm going for pleasure. Newmans comments just reflect the downward spiral of society and the ME ME ME way people look at things now. Not only is it the right thing to do, but you never know who you're helping out get to work, maybe the guy is on the hiring committee where you want to be, just a thought.
 
flyinghunter said:
Given up the seat for people going to work multiple times when I'm going for pleasure. Newmans comments just reflect the downward spiral of society and the ME ME ME way people look at things now. Not only is it the right thing to do, but you never know who you're helping out get to work, maybe the guy is on the hiring committee where you want to be, just a thought.
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Most airlines have a commuter or "call in honest" policy so all you have to do is plan your commute to work accordingly. "Commuting to work" should not be a card that pilots play in order to bump another pilot out of the jumpseat. I'm not giving up a day of my vacation just because someone put off their commute to work till the last flight. We all have places to go so the jumpseat should remain 1st come 1st serve.
 
Was it an ERJ-145 that you were trying to js on? If it was, when there are 2 jumpseaters most captains will let 2nd guy use the f/a jumpseat in the back of the cabin, weight permitting. Don't be shy to ask.
 
Geez why does everything have to go down the toilet in this industry. We don't even respect our own with common courtesy.

I once let a AA pilot go ahead of me and i waited 2 hours for the next flight. The pilot was so greatful and the gate was also appreciative of my generousity that everytime after I had to jumpseat from that gate area they took care of me. I had to say nothing and they had my back. Being nice sometimes comes back 10 fold. Not to mention how good it felt to help out another pilot.
 
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lrn2fly said:
Geez why does everything have to go down the toilet in this industry. We don't even respect our own with common courtesy.

I once let a AA pilot go ahead of me and i waited 2 hours for the next flight. The pilot was so greatful and the gate was also appreciative of my generousity that everytime after I had to jumpseat from that gate area they took care of me. I had to say nothing and they had my back. Being nice sometimes comes back 10 fold. Not to mention how good it felt to help out another pilot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.....All of you out there saying, get a ticket, don't commute, get a commuter clause, live in base. You are too quick to assume, and we all not what that does. How do you know what the other guys situtation is maybe he is in the prosess of moving or maybe he had to go see a sick family member and is now going to work, you just don't know. And those of you saying its too easy to say that you are commuting to work and are really going to somewhere for fun need to grow a sack, man up and tell the truth. It's no wonder managment knows that can do what ever that what to us. Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemy and would eat our young if we thought we could get away with it!!!! Some of you will get what you have coming, karma is a bitch!!!!
 
SKYW Pilot said:
Ya... but if you travel "incognito" so nobody will recognize you as a pilot and you don't introduce yourself to other jumpseaters, then how would you know they had a family emergency? You're right about the seniority, but wrong about everything else.
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Sadly, I'm with Newman on this. I was a new XJT pilot getting ready to spend a long weekend with some frineds of mine in JAX. Well, the flight was full and at the time pilots couldn't use the FA jump. This AA pilot comes up to me desperate for the jumpseat to visit his mom who is very sick...no brainer I said "its yours", even followed him out to the hardstands b/c our retarded IAH gate agents insisted that I go before him. I get the later flight in 2 hours no big deal.

Get this! So after the weekend, I see that same AA pilot, along with another non-COEX pilot standing at the desk going back to IAH. I stand behind them and overhear all about the nice few days of golfing they got in together with the gate agent. I said, hey so the golfing was good huh? Glad I sat around for 2 more hour so you could make get another round in...he turned white and needless to say didn't make the flight back to IAH (FULL).

NEVER AGAIN will I give up my seat, too bad I got con-ed only 3 months into my first 121 job...oh well for the next guy.
 
"Going to see family" can mean a lot of things. I have told people that on a number of occasions. Once it was for a wedding. Another time it was for a funeral, and a couple of times for family reunions. Sometimes it was just to go hang out with my brother for a few days.

I would gladly let the jumpseat go for the latter, but not for the first three. In all those cases, when people asked, I told them I was going to visit family. No offense, but the details are really none of anyone's business if I don't feel like talking about it.

I would give the guy the benefit of the doubt. You just don't know what his circumstances were.
 
flyboy06 said:
Sadly, I'm with Newman on this. I was a new XJT pilot getting ready to spend a long weekend with some frineds of mine in JAX. Well, the flight was full and at the time pilots couldn't use the FA jump. This AA pilot comes up to me desperate for the jumpseat to visit his mom who is very sick...no brainer I said "its yours", even followed him out to the hardstands b/c our retarded IAH gate agents insisted that I go before him. I get the later flight in 2 hours no big deal.

Get this! So after the weekend, I see that same AA pilot, along with another non-COEX pilot standing at the desk going back to IAH. I stand behind them and overhear all about the nice few days of golfing they got in together with the gate agent. I said, hey so the golfing was good huh? Glad I sat around for 2 more hour so you could make get another round in...he turned white and needless to say didn't make the flight back to IAH (FULL).

NEVER AGAIN will I give up my seat, too bad I got con-ed only 3 months into my first 121 job...oh well for the next guy.
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Bro... it's no secret there are crappy people out there that take advantage but to live your life by there example is to become just like them. Be your own man and don't let other low life people dictate yours.
 
flyboy06 said:
Get this! So after the weekend, I see that same AA pilot, along with another non-COEX pilot standing at the desk going back to IAH. I stand behind them and overhear all about the nice few days of golfing they got in together with the gate agent. I said, hey so the golfing was good huh? Glad I sat around for 2 more hour so you could make get another round in...he turned white and needless to say didn't make the flight back to IAH (FULL).

NEVER AGAIN will I give up my seat, too bad I got con-ed only 3 months into my first 121 job...oh well for the next guy.
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WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was low. I guess it shouldn't surprise me. People are d!cks, that's why I don't trust anyone. DAMN!!!!!!!!!! That's just unbelievable!!!!!! I can understand why you would feel that way after that happened. What did the jacka$$ say?
 
with a couple rare exceptions it's 1st come 1st serve. The commuter finishing up a long trip or the pilot going on a long overdue vacation should not have to sacfrice his/her plans in order to accomodate someone going to work or someone who has some BS sob story. If you are that desperate to get on the flight than perhaps you should show up at the airport earlier or pay SWA or Jblue $59 and be a revenue passenger. And as far as the sick Grandma stories and Brothers wedding, again, don't wait until the last flight/minute and try to bump someone out who has been checked in for an hour. Now if 2 jumpseaters both show up 1 hour early just as the gate is opening, then perhaps they can discuss it. We all have places to go and when we are at the airport trying to travel our time is for the most part very equally valuable. For those who disagree than perhaps you can come up with a jumpseat priority list... we can disregard 1st time 1st serve and we can disregard code-share/family priority and we can adopt a new system where the person who gets the jumpseat is the person with the biggest BS sob story. I nominate Marinedog to come up with the priority list.
 

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