Would Jesus go to Church?

[Timebuilder]

The same way I know that Benny Hinn isn't a healer chosen by God.

I know because God has a consistent character throughout the Bible. He exhorts us to be good stewards, and turn away from self-aggrandizement.

Since I know the work that is the supposed reason for the jet, I also know that a more modest jet or other airplane could be purchased, leaving a great deal of money for medical care, medicine, food, water purification, support of mission families, etc.

I'll bet a Convair or a refitted 727 could do just as well, but Jesse wants a new jet, instead. I find that suspicious, to say the least, that God is going to depart from His eternal consistent character just so brother Jesse can ride in a Citation X.

 

[350DRIVER]

My side of the platform just gave TB a standing ovation, only ours has about a billzillon Angels in heaven cheering him on. He is also being empowered by the Holy Spirt, that means he is going to be dead on. You guys may call yourselves atheist but usually all you guys get real ornery just before you are confronted by the Holy Spirit. BTW stay out of our airplanes because when we are on a long flight we don't talk about our next PC but about Sex, politics, and religion. cheers.

There is a time and place for this discussion that is appropriate, this is not the time nor the place. Trying to discuss anything logical with an atheist makes little or no sense with regards to the bible or Jesus, these guys are way out in far right field. Fortunately they are a very small minority present day and are pretty much kept at bay and in check so why do you feel the need to try and preach about your beliefs to this group? This is absolutely crazy and absurd not to mention that it shows that you are weak in more than one area of your own beliefs. Having a strong belief in God is great, I go to church every single week and sometimes more than just a sunday service but I surely do not feel the need to h a v e to show it on a message board dedicated to aviation.

I am a very strong believer in faith and in everything that the bible has to offer and say but I do not feel the need, desire, ambition, etc, to bring it on to a message board that is for aviation related discussions. When you attempt to convert someone of another faith or belief or even preach to them then that shows you have about the same level of credibility as a used car salesman. You and I believe in God, great do we get a cookie? Let's get real here, there is no need to have to put this onto others who do not share our same beliefs and faith..


As for the comment about the cockpit discussions I can assure you that your "preaching" is not doing anything positive for anyone else other than you lowering your level of credibility. Once again there is a time and a place and this board is neither.


keep the preaching to yourself and everyone will be happy.

simple as that

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[dash8driver]

omg, someone has a clue. thank you 350driver.

but one thing. just because someone debates a topic, doesnt make "them all athiests". some people are able to wear different hats, take different sides in order to explore a subject or to make a point, etc. not to mention that there are more religions in the world besides christianity or athiesm. just because most christians do not recognize anything but their own religion, and view everything else as devil worship, doesnt make it so.

 

[wms]

omg, someone has a clue. thank you 350driver.

but one thing. just because someone debates a topic, doesnt make "them all athiests". some people are able to wear different hats, take different sides in order to explore a subject or to make a point, etc. not to mention that there are more religions in the world besides christianity or athiesm. just because most christians do not recognize anything but their own religion, and view everything else as devil worship, doesnt make it so.

Christianity is not a religion, it's faith in a person and what He has done for man. Those who say they are Christians and subscribe to some denomination or doctrine of men are disobedient to God's word. The only religion established by God was Judaism, which looked to the Messiah. It ended at the cross when the scriptures were fulfilled with the rejection and crucifiction of the Christ at His first coming. He will return and the prophetic clock will again start ticking.

There is no such thing as an athiest, Romans 1:19 & 20. Only those who reject the knowledge of the truth that God has given them. We all will stand before God in judgement, and there will be no excuse for rejecting His Son. "He will reprove the world of sin...because they believe not on me", John 16: 8&9.

 

[Dubya]

A new moderator?

350driver....stop trying to de-legitimize a perfectly legitimate adult conversation. If you will hit your back button you will notice this thread resides in the "General" category. If you don't like it or agree with it or whatever....shaddup and find another thread.


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[jbDC9]

my head's gonna explode...

There is one other difference:

Truth.

According to the Bible, only one doctrine is correct. The other is evil. That isn't very PC, and I don't advocate we wipe out Islam, either. We should work to help save them, and not take the approach they take where WE are concerned, killing 3,000 people with no warning in a non-military framework. When they attack, we respond with actions designed to limit their future effectiveness at killing us. Sometimes that means killing them first.

Jesus tapdancing Christ TB, would you give it a rest already? That's just about the most arrogant, ridiculous statement I've seen you spew yet. Man, I'm almost speechless... what the hell makes you think you have to save all the Muslims and Buddists and other religions that aren't like yours??? Why is your religion right and theirs wrong?? Oh right, the Bible says so... what a bunch of crap. Arrogant, mindless, brainwashed crap.

I'll admit, I don't understand those crazy bastard Muslim extremists who like to kill, kill, kill in the name of religion or Allah or whatever... but that doesn't need they need to be saved and brainwashed into your way of thinking. Killing in the name of religion, that amazes the sh!t outta me... maybe we should use the Holy Hand Grenade on them, kill 'em all and let 'em rot. Yeah, that's the ticket...

He is also being empowered by the Holy Spirt, that means he is going to be dead on. You guys may call yourselves atheist but usually all you guys get real ornery just before you are confronted by the Holy Spirit. BTW stay out of our airplanes because when we are on a long flight we don't talk about our next PC but about Sex, politics, and religion.

Uhhh, huh? What the hell are you talking about, confronted by the Holy Spirit? Who/what the hell is that?? I'm not sure if I'm atheist or agnostic, I'm just a guy who doesn't give a sh!t about religion. We get ornery because we hate you bible thumpers trying to "save" us. Stay out of your airplane cuz you're gonna talk about sex, politics and religion? Sex and women are okay, but keep the politics and preaching to yourself. You must be a real pleasure to fly with... I'll gladly stay away from your ship.

 

[Timebuilder]

Man, I'm almost speechless...

Darn! And to think you came so close....

what the hell makes you think you have to save all the Muslims and Buddists and other religions that aren't like yours??? Why is your religion right and theirs wrong?? Oh right, the Bible says so... what a bunch of crap.

Well, at least you now grasp the concept. You don't accept that God is the author of that "crap", and you have a lot of company. Whether you do or don't agree isn't my responsibility. I'm only giving you the information that's there to be had.

I might suggest that if you are going to reject an idea, you learn a little more about it, or maybe talk a little about why you think it's "crap."

The evidence for the truth I'm talking about is the changed lives that it brings.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Christianity is not a religion

you expect to establish credibility with a statement such as that?

 

[wms]

you expect to establish credibility with a statement such as that?

No. I don't need to establish credibility. That's best left to those who are trying to sell themselves or a system of rituals that are not biblical. I'm only proclaiming my faith in a person. Christianity is a belief in Christ as the Son of God and as such that "God Hath made Him Christ and Lord", Acts 2:36. The Lord did not insitute religion or any type of ritual, except to remember Him and His works on the cross. The ones who turn faith in Christ to religion add doctrine that is not biblical and attempt to divide christianity into religious factions that are not sanctioned by God. The credibility to state the fact that christianity is not a religion comes from the fact that the bible does not give religious instruction.

 

[Timebuilder]

Hear, hear.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

No. I don't need to establish credibility.

Okay, just making sure, because you didn't. I might refer you to Merriam-Webster. You better straighten them out too.

"Main Entry: Chris·tian·i·ty
Pronunciation: "kris-chE-'a-n&-tE, "krish-, -'cha-n&-, "kris-tE-'a-
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian religion "

Not a religion?

 

[dash8driver]

Darn! And to think you came so close....

I might suggest that if you are going to reject an idea, you learn a little more about it, or maybe talk a little about why you think it's "crap."

The evidence for the truth I'm talking about is the changed lives that it brings.

are you implying that you have learned about every other religion on the planet since its obvious you reject them?

so christianity is the only religion that has changed lives? i bet not. i guess other religions that have changed lives are valid too.

 

[Timebuilder]

Okay, just making sure, because you didn't. I might refer you to Merriam-Webster. You better straighten them out too.

Webster makes reference to the "popular" use of words. They may not delve deeply enough beyond this "popular" application to describe or understand what "Christian" means to a Christian.

are you implying that you have learned about every other religion on the planet since its obvious you reject them?

I made a special quest of learning about various beliefs over a ten year period. In college, at NYU, I was privileged to have Dr. James Carse, a leading theologian, as one of my professors. His course was called "The Meaning of Death." I wish you could have been there. It was fascinating.

One of my regular writing topics, and the subject of a seven year stint on local public radio, was the New Age movement, which included interviews and in-depth looks at most of what the world believes, including the classical religions, crystal and aroma therapy, rebirthing, mind control, and meditation. I talked with Timothy Leary, Ram Dass (Richard Alpert when he was at Harvard with Tim) and a host of others.

Dr. J. Alan Hynek came on to talk about what he thought was the spiritual implication of UFO's, too. I wish I still had that tape.

So, I covered more than a few feet of ground before accepting Christ as Personal Savior. In fact, I put so little stock in Christanity during those years that I never had a Christian on the show.

Now, I don't pretend to be an "expert" in all of these beliefs, but I do think that my experiences were significant and sufficient to allow me to be prepared for the Savior.

It's HE that did the "work" on me, not me on Him.

so christianity is the only religion that has changed lives? i bet not. i guess other religions that have changed lives are valid too.

That's true. Many lives are changed by other religions, and to their detriment, since these words attest: "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[wms]

1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies

Just as I said, factions of christians forming a religion based in the teachings of Christ, ie religion DERIVED from Jesus Christ. Not the Lord Himself establishing a religion. People institute religions, even christian ones, without biblical foundations. The dictionary is not the Bible.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Just as I said,

No, what you said was: "Christianity is not a religion."
and my point is that I and I'm sure many others didn't read past that, because whether you desire to establish credibility or not, nobody will read past your first sentence if it is a line as absurd as that. Christianity is a religion. That's not good or bad or anything else. It is just the way the english speaking world defines the word.

 

[dash8driver]

Just as I said, factions of christians forming a religion based in the teachings of Christ, ie religion DERIVED from Jesus Christ. Not the Lord Himself establishing a religion. People institute religions, even christian ones, without biblical foundations. The dictionary is not the Bible.

wait.. timebuilder said that jesus christ IS god...the lord himself. which would make christianity a religion under your rules.

now is jesus god or not? timebuilder. please clairify this point to us if you have time, i am confused with these two conflicting definitions of who jesus is.

 

[jbDC9]

That's true. Many lives are changed by other religions, and to their detriment, since these words attest: "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

That pretty much sums it up.

Oh jeez, there he goes again with that arrogant bible thumping sh!t. Why is it to their detriment? Didja ever stop to think that maybe Buddists or Muslims or whatever other religions out there might be "The" religion and you goofy christians are the ones who have it all wrong??

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Oh yeah? Says who?? What might a Buddist monk have to say about that? I'm thinking he might tell you to go pound sand, his way is better...

Timbuilders arguments are why I so intensely dislike bible thumping, born again christians. "My religion is the only religion, mine can beat up yours, you're going to hell because you haven't been saved, etc." Narrow minded with blinders on, can't see anything else but their beloved bible, which they love to quote from so much.

I really should leave this thread alone, but it's kinda fascinating to watch, waiting to see what "holier than thou" gems are spouted off next. I suspect a lot of the readers of this thread are in the same boat; not looking to be preached to or educated, just want to see what crap comes up next.

 

[Cat Driver]

For me it is sort of like being to look inside an insane asylum.

 

[skyking1976]

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Oh yeah? Says who?? What might a Buddist monk have to say about that?

A Buddhist would not want to "go to the Father."

SK

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

not looking to be preached to or educated, just want to see what crap comes up next.