pipejockey
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MD11, I have found my passion unfortunately. I have tried to literally force myself into another profession but I can't seem to do it. I am trying my best to get out of the whole airline racket and go corporate where you may actually be treated like a valuable part of the corporation, as opposed to a minion that can be replaced at the drop of a hat like the airlines consider us.
And I will admit it is people like me who are part of the problem. Unhappy with the career but unwilling to leave it behind. If all the pilots out there who are unhappy with the way this career has turned the past 5 years, just walked away, there WOULD be a pilot shortage. That would be the best thing this industry would have to face!
You are also right about the "unhappy" coming home and affecting the loved ones. I seem to be the kind of person who doesn't realize what they have until it's gone. But I am trying to find my niche within aviation.
Snakum, It takes years, even decades to get to that 110,000 plus you have to be lucky enough to get with an airline that doesn't fail, or else you start all the way at the bottom again. Meaning another decade, at least, to get to where you were. That is if you beat the odds and can even get with another career airline, of which there are not too many. And if you take the average household income in places like NYC, NJ, CA, DC and most other places where you are likely to be based with an airline, you will see 110K will barely make it among people with 4 year degrees, not to mention all the other training we must complete.
I don't remember when my last republican rant was, but how did you know I am a republican? I am more of a social conservative, but as far as how they view labor? Well kind of like their Mexican landscapers.
PVB, that was BS laying into me about criticizing your contract. Don't presume to think I didn't respect what your pilot group did. I say your pilot group, because for all I know you might have voted yes to the companies last proposal before the strike. But I was elated you all walked off the job and said enough is enough! The only pilot group for the past 5 years that I know of who has stood for anything! Congratulations! Hopefully you can continue to negotiate raises that stay well ahead of inflation. 12% over 3 years I believe? Maybe you can set Atlas's rates in your sights 3 years from now.
And per diem is not income! Why people continue to use per diem to make their pay look larger is beyond me. 2 good meals and the per diem is gone for the day. And you are absolutely right, 19 days IS too much work. Considering that 19 days is all on the road, it's tough. It is the kind of schedule I have had up until recently. 1 week on 1 week off is more my style.
And like I have said all along, as far as airlines go these days, World isn't half bad, just not what I had dreamed of when I was that kid who was constantly looking skyward not too long ago. I wish I had the flight time, I would try to get on with World!
And I didn't mean to turn the thread into yet another commentary on the industry, but I wanted to respond to the last few posts.
And I will admit it is people like me who are part of the problem. Unhappy with the career but unwilling to leave it behind. If all the pilots out there who are unhappy with the way this career has turned the past 5 years, just walked away, there WOULD be a pilot shortage. That would be the best thing this industry would have to face!
You are also right about the "unhappy" coming home and affecting the loved ones. I seem to be the kind of person who doesn't realize what they have until it's gone. But I am trying to find my niche within aviation.
Snakum, It takes years, even decades to get to that 110,000 plus you have to be lucky enough to get with an airline that doesn't fail, or else you start all the way at the bottom again. Meaning another decade, at least, to get to where you were. That is if you beat the odds and can even get with another career airline, of which there are not too many. And if you take the average household income in places like NYC, NJ, CA, DC and most other places where you are likely to be based with an airline, you will see 110K will barely make it among people with 4 year degrees, not to mention all the other training we must complete.
I don't remember when my last republican rant was, but how did you know I am a republican? I am more of a social conservative, but as far as how they view labor? Well kind of like their Mexican landscapers.
PVB, that was BS laying into me about criticizing your contract. Don't presume to think I didn't respect what your pilot group did. I say your pilot group, because for all I know you might have voted yes to the companies last proposal before the strike. But I was elated you all walked off the job and said enough is enough! The only pilot group for the past 5 years that I know of who has stood for anything! Congratulations! Hopefully you can continue to negotiate raises that stay well ahead of inflation. 12% over 3 years I believe? Maybe you can set Atlas's rates in your sights 3 years from now.
And per diem is not income! Why people continue to use per diem to make their pay look larger is beyond me. 2 good meals and the per diem is gone for the day. And you are absolutely right, 19 days IS too much work. Considering that 19 days is all on the road, it's tough. It is the kind of schedule I have had up until recently. 1 week on 1 week off is more my style.
And like I have said all along, as far as airlines go these days, World isn't half bad, just not what I had dreamed of when I was that kid who was constantly looking skyward not too long ago. I wish I had the flight time, I would try to get on with World!
And I didn't mean to turn the thread into yet another commentary on the industry, but I wanted to respond to the last few posts.
