Woo Hoo

[Britpilot]

Re: Life begins at 40 . . . sometimes

. I had a friend with excellent quals, several ratings, and who is my age within a few days, and he found out that he was rejected, flat out, because of his age. This was only a few years ago, during the last hiring gusher.

You go figure it out. I did. [/B]

Perhaps there was something else that prevented yourself and friend from being hired. I know that the company who interviewed him would not reject him just because of age. That is not legal and if it did occur he has some recourse. As has been proven on these boards it is possible to get hired and have that second career post 40. It does take some persistance and a positive attitude. Why not try again? There are companys out there hiring now.

 

[bobbysamd]

Age discrimination cases

To believe a company would not hire someone strictly because of age is naive. The Age Discrimination in Employment Act et al makes age discrimination in hiring illegal. So, yeah, you have recourse, all right. Proving it is another matter.

Employment cases are extremely difficult because they are so dependent on evidence. The evidence would include such things as company documents, which, you would hope, would say that the applicant was rejected because of age. Of course, no one would be so stupid as to put something like that in writing. Someone might actually say it, but deny it later. Someone might have heard it said, but using it as evidence is difficult because it is hearsay. Try to get someone from the company to serve as your witness to your age discrimination claim. It's hard to gather proof in an employment case, and the proof has to meet a certain threshold and satisfy several requirements to make a prima facie case.

Then, if you do go forward, you have to jump through some major hoops, such as getting past federal and state EEOCs before getting at the company. Then, if you argue that you were discriminated against because of age, the company just has to say is it didn't interview you because it didn't feel that you were qualified, despite the fact that you met or exceeded every requirement it had, published or otherwise. It's your opinion against their's that you were qualified. It is all subjective. Why is it that you can take ten applicants who are virtual clones of each other who've applied for ten openings and one might be hired? An aviation company's defense in a hiring case will always be safety. And, the laws of many, if not most, states are stacked in favor of employers.

All this is how companies get away with age discrimination.

I do know persistence, my friend. I sent stuff to commuters for years, and to a couple, for many years. I am no better qualified now than I was then, and I am nine years older now. With so many better-qualified, and younger, pilots than me looking for work, trying again would be futile.

I do appreciate your comments. I'm sure you mean well. But, older career-changers need to be extremely realistic about their expectations in this business.

 

[ILS JNKY]

age

I, also changed professions a year or two ago,and i think that age will form a positive step for me in that I have at least 14 years to fly before having to retire.

Left sales and marketing about 1.5 years ago and glade I did, but do remember that we have to be on our game when interviewing and it is the time when you must sell why you are different than any one else, rember no bashing the competition.

Give a great presentation of your self and your ablities confirm and answer all question,. field all objections, and then close&close&close , stats show that 85% of all sales transactions, no one asks for the order.

Never been on a job interview where it was any different, it never is.

The only thing that changes is product knowledge, that is why we all attened the various flight schools locaited across the country.

 

[aero99]

Discrminiation does happen...everywhere. Bobby made the perfect point that to prove it is another matter.

Used to work for a company that would only hire female sales people. I was in management and the President of the company would "pre- interview" the apps before I received them. They were ALL women. I even asked him point blank and he admitted it. Right after he admitted to it (and he thought about what he said) he hired a male. He was fired within 4 months for non-standard work ethics. I interviewed the guy and he was not material for our company, but he was hired. Same thing happend about every 18 months.

After a few years with the company I wanted out of management and in sales. Guess what....never happened. I was more than qualified (but not overqual'ed) and was rejected everytime I brought it up.

It irritated me at first, and I thought I could sue and raise hell...but I had not one lick of proof and the company HAD hired males in the past at that point so it would do no good. I got over it and went to work for myself.

Discrimiation is a no win situation for everyone. Reverse Discrimination as mentioned above is the result of discrimination laws gone amuck and makes matters even worse.

 

[TurboS7]

I think that being a woman has all the advantages and no disadvantages, but once they are hired senority is what makes or breaks the situation.

 

[avbug]

Age. Gender. Race. Big deal. What about ugly people? When are we gonna get a break? Huh?

I don't hear anyone championing us short ugly balding types?

And what about halitosis-challenged folks? Just because we happen to have really bad breath, doesn't mean we're bad people?

Don't even get me started on athletes foot!

When do all these little life-challenges start to be a plus?

 

[Britpilot]

Age. Gender. Race. Big deal. What about ugly people? When are we gonna get a break? Huh?

I don't hear anyone championing us short ugly balding types?

And what about halitosis-challenged folks? Just because we happen to have really bad breath, doesn't mean we're bad people?

Don't even get me started on athletes foot!

When do all these little life-challenges start to be a plus?

I'm with you but what about being British? I hear every bad British joke there is out there and the funny thing is I am no longer British. So for the record we are superior and we do not have an accent, you do

 

[Britpilot]

Re: Age discrimination cases

To believe a company would not hire someone strictly because of age is naive.
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No not naive, been around the block too many times for that. My point is, I do know that discrimination exists, I also know that it does not exist every where either in traditional or reverse varities.
To those of you who think that post 40 airline employment is not an option, I say yes it is with a little luck and hard work.

 

[Prop Trash]

originally posted by Britpilot
Before you all start slaming me, I am a minority who prefers fair play at all levels.

Nigel, just because your crashpad is located in a neighborhood full of "minorities," that doesn't make you one too! Seriously, I'm 14% native American, do you think that'll help me get on with United when they hire again?

 

[Britpilot]

Nigel, just because your crashpad is located in a neighborhood full of "minorities," that doesn't make you one too! Seriously, I'm 14% native American, do you think that'll help me get on with United when they hire again?

Of course it will help you, Runs With Bears, so will the mental health waiver on your medical. Glad you made it home safe, big apple here I come. See you out there,

 

[avbug]

Brit,

Don't feel too bad. My mum is from Southampton, and most of my family is from either England or Wales. My dad was born in Nebraska, but all his side is from Ireland. My name is severely irish, and I look irish. Sort of like a really ugly leprechaun.

I'm the outcast, born here, and always been here. Never really an issue, except that I had a strong accent growing up in grade school, and we faced a move back to the UK during the Falkland events, while the US was hemming and hawing over weather to side with Argentina or Britain.

Today I face extermination as a dying breed of white trash; the geek redneck.

I have a long way to go, though. I'm shooting for my eventual goal in the ultimate in marketability; I'm gunning for disabled ethnic gay veteran. The bad breath and ugliness is only a plus. I may never make it, but we can't all be the model citizen, can we?

 

[Timebuilder]

Proptrash-

All you need is a certificate from the Tribal Council identifying you as a member of the "XXXXXXXX nation", and as far as United is concerned, you'll be known as "dances with turbofans".

Britpilot-

Okay, we have the accent, but you guys have to fix that wrong side of the road thing. I'm okay until I hit a roundabout...

 

[Britpilot]

Avbug, I'm very pleased to see that you know how to spell mum! There are a lot of us brits over here, it's a little like Hong Kong, the lease is almost up and we're taking it back.
Timebuilder, the roundabout was designed to confuse the enemy in time of war, as you can see it is a fine design that works very well. It's purpose now, of course, is to confuse and frustrate American tourists intent on invading England. Of course it is not us who drive on the wrong side just any Australian

 

[avbug]

Hang on there...as a former resident of Oz, my heart is still in the gum trees. Probably always will be.

As for roundabouts, these are the hope of the future. The roundabout represents continuous movement; the opportunity to pass on without stopping, no broken motion. It is circular, one road leading to all, all to one. The roundabout is life, it is peace, it is the whole. If we had more roundabouts, there would be no sorrow. No hunger. No lack of education. We must dwell on the roundabout, think about the roundabout.

Be the roundabout.

Except when one gets sick after going around too many times. Then it's time to pull over.

 

[Timebuilder]

AhhhhOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TurboS7]

What happens when you turn the wrong way on a roundabout-you hear real English-especially if you have an American accent.