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I have to agree with On Your Six. Southwest is not the place to want to work. I either want to fly for Delta or American. I always see the southwest pilots walking around smiling. (How smug are they) ? Also i see them helping out the elderly pushing wheel chairs. I want to be an Airline Pilot not a sky cap. You sure dont see the Delta pilots do that.
I am kind of like a Delta pilot now, as I tell everyone I am , and the pictures of me next to what I fly says Delta all over it. I am actually hoping that soon we might be getting MD 80 s ( THAT IS THE RUMOR)



Also when I get to Delta or American I will never let a Southwest pilot on the Jump-seat or even give them a ride.

One more thing, thanks Southwest, Any hotel I stay at that you guys do,I tell everyone I am a southwest employee and get your discounts.

Hahaha- good work brother, got to keep it more subtle though and you'll have a shot- but I like the first attempt- maybe it's obvious enough to give OyS a clue
But good, not great yet, but good!
 
Since when does SWA go to Saginaw, MI? That is your favorite layover, right? Get used to it, until you leave for your lav dumping job in Minot.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

Rumor is that the next Delta Contract we get to fly the narrow Body and the other Delta ( you) get to fly the wide bodies.

Dont get mad at me we are both on the same team. ( Both of our aircraft say DELTA on the side). Your passengers are mine, and my passengers are your.
 
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Back to original topic....2 gates A side. 12-13 additional flights for those gates and equally as many on the C side. That's gotta be close to 200 dept a day.
 
Along with 2 more in less than six months. I agree, the number of departures is going to be impressive. I don't see how it's NOT the new base.
 
Has Denver revised it's tax on stored parts?
 
Rumor is that the next Delta Contract we get to fly the narrow Body and the other Delta ( you) get to fly the wide bodies.

Dont get mad at me we are both on the same team. ( Both of our aircraft say DELTA on the side). Your passengers are mine, and my passengers are your.

GK mentioned that to us once, that he envisioned us(SW) doing all the Delta Domestic flying and DELTA would do all the International, I thought he was crazy, turns out he may be genius... Of course it just gives another pilot group (Commuters) a reason to hate us... Maybe he plans to bid on the (Comair, ASA, Shuttle America, Air Timbuktu, Rubber Dog Poo out of Hong kong Airlines, etc.) commuter flying for DELTA anyone know when the contracts are up?

And before the MORONS get their feathers all wrinkled, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE), Why are you getting upset, you don't do the damn flying anyway! "Let the "little" guys do that, I only will fly widebodies to "International" destinations is all I've heard from the chief Moron for years! The "Little guys" airplanes are now as big as our 73's, the next step in the evolution is the 73's!

Don't hate the players, Hate the game!

Later,
KBB
 
Has Denver revised it's tax on stored parts?

Listen to this argument, What if a "hypothetical" company goes into the local government and says, "hey, we'll open up an "employment center" and bring in 400 employees that average 150k a year ( think income taxes) and 600 employees that average 50k a year, can we negotiate the reduction of some "Other fees", I guarantee, someone we'll be listening...and I use those "Average" numbers loosely, I think they are much higher!

I see new jobs come to my home state all the time, EVERYTHING is up for negotiations and I mean EVERYTHING! one company just convinced a new resident company to pay their moving expenses plus ridiculous tax breaks.

DISCUSS

later,
KBB
 
While I think OYS and his brother GL are annoying as everyone else, I disagree about Delta being scared ********************less. Y'all are just replacing another airline. In some ways it will help Delta (think removing Airtrans 1st class). This along with our merger, UALs, and whoever AA marries is good for all of us. Removes overlaping service, will lead to upgauged flying (more mainline, unless we puss out and allow more more outsourcing), more consistant profitability and hopefully pay back to a more respectable level for those of us that were raped in ch11. Not to sound like OYS and GL, but I don't see swa taking over slc, msp or dtw. I think we will coexist fine.

OYS,

I assume you've been through ATL lately, right? Your company is scared sh!tless that Southwest is on the way. This is going to be good.

RF
 
While I think OYS and his brother GL are annoying as everyone else, I disagree about Delta being scared ********************less. Y'all are just replacing another airline. In some ways it will help Delta (think removing Airtrans 1st class). This along with our merger, UALs, and whoever AA marries is good for all of us. Removes overlaping service, will lead to upgauged flying (more mainline, unless we puss out and allow more more outsourcing), more consistant profitability and hopefully pay back to a more respectable level for those of us that were raped in ch11. Not to sound like OYS and GL, but I don't see swa taking over slc, msp or dtw. I think we will coexist fine.

Thanks DAD for you comments. Maybe sometimes the truth HURTS. And NO, Delta isn't scared of Southwest at all. In fact, like OYS says, SWA is actually replacing a lower cost carrier with a higher cost one. That merger was expensive, and we all know SWA isn't always the cheapest carrier.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
GK mentioned that to us once, that he envisioned us(SW) doing all the Delta Domestic flying and DELTA would do all the International, I thought he was crazy, turns out he may be genius... Of course it just gives another pilot group (Commuters) a reason to hate us... Maybe he plans to bid on the (Comair, ASA, Shuttle America, Air Timbuktu, Rubber Dog Poo out of Hong kong Airlines, etc.) commuter flying for DELTA anyone know when the contracts are up?

And before the MORONS get their feathers all wrinkled, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE), Why are you getting upset, you don't do the damn flying anyway! "Let the "little" guys do that, I only will fly widebodies to "International" destinations is all I've heard from the chief Moron for years! The "Little guys" airplanes are now as big as our 73's, the next step in the evolution is the 73's!

Don't hate the players, Hate the game!

Later,
KBB

Just NOT going to happen. We just ordered 100 739s, and we are getting every MD90 on the planet. Every 757 you see with winglets will be kept while the others will be replaced by those 739s. We will most likely take your 717s when you hand them back to Boeing, and they will become our "100 seater." If more consolidation occurs (very likely), other airlines with existing orders will help fill in for any other new domestic planes (just like you are doing with the Airtran 737-800 orders and options).

With gas prices still $100 a barrel and up, more and more RJs will probably go away when their expensive C or D checks come up, and that is how they will dwindle. (the 50 seaters first) The 717s would fit in well on routes that currently have 5 or 6 RJs a day, throw in 3 717s and that could work out nicely.

Sorry if you guys missed me over the past couple weeks. I had a really nice 12 day Asia trip that sent me back and forth from PDX and SFO to NRT a few times. But, it's good to be back in the mix. Happy New Year!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
OYS,

I assume you've been through ATL lately, right? Your company is scared sh!tless that Southwest is on the way. This is going to be good.

RF

I just got back, and I don't know what you are talking about? You are wrong, again. And, it will be good, just like your fight in Salt Lake, Philadelphia, and Seattle as OYS points out. You haven't gained anything at those hubs, and lost at two of them.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Thanks DAD for you comments. Maybe sometimes the truth HURTS. And NO, Delta isn't scared of Southwest at all. In fact, like OYS says, SWA is actually replacing a lower cost carrier with a higher cost one. That merger was expensive, and we all know SWA isn't always the cheapest carrier.


Bye Bye---General Lee

What? Please enlighten me General.

You have seen the Delta ads about 'Your hometown airline' right? Why do you think allll of the sudden marketing started playing that card?

RF
 
What? Please enlighten me General.

You have seen the Delta ads about 'Your hometown airline' right? Why do you think allll of the sudden marketing started playing that card?

RF

Those ads were playing long before WN came into the mix. Apparently it was a play on the fact FL had chosen to keep HQ in MCO a while back.
 
I don't remember seeing them until after Sept. 2010. Even if it was earlier, they have completely ramped that program up with the complete wrapping of all airport vehicles within the last year.
 
I don't remember seeing them until after Sept. 2010. Even if it was earlier, they have completely ramped that program up with the complete wrapping of all airport vehicles within the last year.

It's called extra profits, about 4 times that of SWA. Get used to it.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
Rumor is that the next Delta Contract we get to fly the narrow Body and the other Delta ( you) get to fly the wide bodies.

Dont get mad at me we are both on the same team. ( Both of our aircraft say DELTA on the side). Your passengers are mine, and my passengers are your.

Your rumor was whispered into your ear by the fuel truck driver in Saskatoon. Afterwards, you guys made out. Young love is cool for you. Put down the weed and start studying for your GED. Good luck duck!


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
OYS,
I hope with the massive profits that you guys are able to get a healthy contract and eliminate some of your outsourcing.
 
OYS,
I hope with the massive profits that you guys are able to get a healthy contract and eliminate some of your outsourcing.

Many 50 seat RJs are being parked as soon as they come up to more expensive MX checks. The Saabs have all gone away too. Profits are up, and things are heating up for more possible consolidation, so things could get interesting. The contract surveys have gone out and come back, so hopefully everyone is on the same page, including the union.

Here's an interesting article about passengers leaving AT for others as they lose the 1st class option:



Survey: Some fliers seeking new first-class options
By Kelly Yamanouchi
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Friday, January 6, 2012

As Southwest Airlines prepares to absorb AirTran Airways -- and do away with its business class and assigned seating options -- some AirTran passengers are seeking out other airlines, according to a travel agency network survey.

In the survey by Travel Leaders, the firm’s travel agents, managers and owners in Georgia who responded said they have AirTran clients who are seeking alternatives that offer first class or business class.

Although it was a small sample, with just 15 responses, all of the respondents said a few, some, a majority or all of their AirTran clients are seeking alternatives. Some also said Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines is the prime beneficiary.

“We feel that AirTran’s customers will come to love Southwest just as they have enjoyed AirTran service,” Southwest spokeswoman Katie McDonald said. “I think customers will come to find that Southwest offers just as much, if not even more benefits than our competitors.”

One big selling point: two free checked bags. Delta, AirTran and other airlines charge extra for checked bags. McDonald said Southwest passengers also benefit from not paying change fees.

Leslie Garner, director of operations for Travel Leaders Johns Creek, said her corporate clients have a lot of questions about the Southwest-AirTran deal.

“Taking away business class seats from travelers that are on the road all the time, [who] are road warriors, hurts,” Garner said. “So they are concerned.”

But she also said the company has corporate clients all over the nation who are happy with Southwest. “Because we’re in the Atlanta market,” where Southwest has never flown, “we don’t know yet,” she said.

Separately, the Travel Leaders survey showed in a larger national sample that Atlanta was the most preferred hub airport -- but also second only to Chicago O’Hare as the one they avoid.

“It’s funny,” Garner said of the dual result. Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport is well-liked by those who appreciate its efficient layout and wide array of restaurants and shops. But “getting from point A to point B at the airport takes a little time,” she said. (just give them a 30 min turn, and they'll be fiiiiiiiine....)




Looks like someone above FORGOT that Airtran is run by Southwest....????? Huh??? What??? That's NUTS....



Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
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Your rumor was whispered into your ear by the fuel truck driver in Saskatoon. Afterwards, you guys made out. Young love is cool for you. Put down the weed and start studying for your GED. Good luck duck!


Godspeed!


The OYSter


You are awesome. First you where at UAL now DAL. I can't wait for the day I fly for Delta It will be awesome when I can be like you and look down at all the low life pukes that are not flying for a Major.


For now I just tell everyone I fly for DAL, as the side of my aircraft says Delta.

Once again why the hostility ? We both work for the same company.
 
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Outerlimits,

Respectfully, you don't work for Delta - you fly equipment owned by Delta. You fly for a carrier that takes flying away from Delta pilots, that is where the hostility starts.

Also, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, I don't see the regionals EVER flying a narrow body for Delta Air Lines. It would never get voted in.
 
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OYS your point is taken. This isn't 1997 where we (WN) can roll in with half the CASM of everyone else and run in on any market we choose. I don't take a WN win in any market for granted. We will lose some pax in the ATL O and D market to DL and we will gain some from DL. How that shapes up both numerically and revenue wise I won't predict. We can have and will lost in some markets to competition that is stronger and healthier than it has been in the past. I just hope the givebacks and furloughs are over for all of us industry wide. Good luck on that contract and I mean that. Hopefully your scope and pay rates recover. I would be happy to see someone else on the top of the contract hill for a while.
 
I'm sorry, "takes"???

Just how can a company "take" what needs to be "voted in"?

:smash:
Outerlimits is a delta pilot, you just don't let him vote, or move past 90-seaters, and have ensured his low wages by outsourcing him into a constant whipsaw model where if his airline gets too much $$, they'll be downsized and the next prop company with a certificate will be built up- all to keep all pilot wages under pressure- how do you still not get it?
I hope you're right that he won't fly 130 seaters, but until dalpa pilots are faced with a raise that includes releasing more scope, and TURN IT DOWN, I just don't believe you.
Can't change your past, but it's a shameful one- IMO one half step below scabs- in fact I can't say scabs did more damage to the pilot career than outsourcing- and if you represent dalpa on this, looks like you haven't learned a thing.


Outerlimits,

Respectfully, you don't work for Delta - you fly equipment owned by Delta. You fly for a carrier that takes flying away from Delta pilots, that is where the hostility starts.

Also, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, I don't see the regionals EVER flying a narrow body for Delta Air Lines. It would never get voted in.
 
I'm sorry, "takes"???

Just how can a company "take" what needs to be "voted in"?
:smash:
Outerlimits is a delta pilot, you just don't let him vote, or move past 90-seaters, and have ensured his low wages by outsourcing him into a constant whipsaw model where if his airline gets too much $$, they'll be downsized and the next prop company with a certificate will be built up- all to keep all pilot wages under pressure- how do you still not get it?
I hope you're right that he won't fly 130 seaters, but until dalpa pilots are faced with a raise that includes releasing more scope, and TURN IT DOWN, I just don't believe you.
Can't change your past, but it's a shameful one- IMO one half step below scabs- in fact I can't say scabs did more damage to the pilot career than outsourcing- and if you represent dalpa on this, looks like you haven't learned a thing.

He is not a pilot for Delta Air Lines, nothing personal. As far as the union vote and giving up scope, you can vote that way if you want.

I agree outsourcing has really damaged our industry so what do we do? Continue it? I would rather see those planes moved to the major seniority list. Won't change a thing with the current RJ pilots. They will still have to quit/get hired with a major - which is something they can do right now.
 
So he should quit, bc you outsourced ? Maybe hed have a job to get hired at if half your domestic departures werent Connection- You're blaming the wrong side
And I disagree. Outsourcing while furloughing is just as personal IMO as scabbing. And outsourcing while growing is only fractions better. Dal pa's guilty of both.
 
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So he should quit, bc you outsourced ? Maybe hed have a job to get hired at if half your domestic departures werent Connection- You're blaming the wrong side


Well, if you can think of another way he can go to the majors without quitting his RJ job, I'm sure he would love to hear it.

I agree with you the RJ thing is currently not what it was intended to be. There is a need to 'connect' with the outer lying, smaller cities but it's out of control and inefficient. That is why our connection service is being reduced, by nearly 50 percent.

It would make sense to me that the majors would eventually have these planes on property and on their seniority list but it won't happen overnight. Delta is currently looking for a 100 seater to meet that CASM need.

I think this will continue. Airlines are looking for every way possible to gain a competitive advantage and outsourcing, within the industry, is inefficient.
 

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